[Alpina_B3_Lux]

Originally Posted by per

I drowe the stage 4 yesterday and it is a different type of powerband, feels more like a M3, doesn´t feel as fast as a piggyback since it doesn´t have the same torque in low and middle, but it has more power on top.
Not shure if i liked it, i would probably miss the punsch of torque if i had bought it.

Well I had the ESS stage 3 for a while, and I can tell you it's got nothing in common with an M3 (which I test drove extensively), meaning way more torque on the low end, smoother delivery over the whole band until around 6500 revs, less aggressive - so I would be surprised if the stage 4 drove like the M3. I also drove the JB3 for some time, and the ESS stage 3 didn't feel like it had less torque, rather the opposite. Just my 2c.

Alpina_B3_Lux

[per]

Originally Posted by Alpina_B3_Lux

Well I had the ESS stage 3 for a while, and I can tell you it's got nothing in common with an M3 (which I test drove extensively), meaning way more torque on the low end, smoother delivery over the whole band until around 6500 revs, less aggressive - so I would be surprised if the stage 4 drove like the M3. I also drove the JB3 for some time, and the ESS stage 3 didn't feel like it had less torque, rather the opposite. Just my 2c.

Alpina_B3_Lux

I was told by the owner that stage 3 had more torque in low and middle, but in the stage 4 they have mowed the powerband higher up in the rpms

[Alpina_B3_Lux]

Originally Posted by per

I was told by the owner that stage 3 had more torque in low and middle, but in the stage 4 they have mowed the powerband higher up in the rpms

That would explain the difference.

Alpina_B3_Lux

[stressdoc]

Stage III sounds good. What is the current price for ESS flash? In the states we have LET @ 399, GIAC @ 800, and ESS @ ? Oh, and Dinan @ w/ warranty. And BMW Perf @ ??? w/ cooling & warranty.

[sales@ESSTuning]

Originally Posted by stressdoc

Stage III sounds good. What is the current price for ESS flash? In the states we have LET @ 399, GIAC @ 800, and ESS @ ? Oh, and Dinan @ w/ warranty. And BMW Perf @ ??? w/ cooling & warranty.

$649 for stage 3

[Terrance28]

So how does this happen if the turbos are maxed at 15psi?

[sales@ESSTuning]

Originally Posted by Terrance28

So how does this happen if the turbos are maxed at 15psi?

It does not happen on any N54 equipped car we have ever seen running pump fuel. We have tried all popular piggys and R&D'ed our flash for over a year with 100% knowledge of all MSD8x functions. Absolute max we have ever seen on pump is 382RWHP STD with the Stage 4 flash, and then the turbos are boosting absolute max in the top range. More power is possible with race fuel and/or meth since more timing can be ran.

We have honestly given up the 335 tuning market as it is not possible to compete without making unsafe and unreliable tuning, we have found 350whp to be the max sustainable power from stock turbos and we will not market anything above that as an offical product. The Stage 4 is only available when signing a liability waiver and we do not recommend using it unless you have funds saved up for new turbos down the road.

[jpsimon]

so dramatic

[stressdoc]

Different cultures, different priorities.

USA = lease car for 3 years and dump it. Max power for stoplight drags.
Euro = long term reliability. Must survive 250kph on autobahns for hours on end.

This reminds me of Eugen's issues with USA piggys vs. Euro flashes.

[OZ!MSport]

Originally Posted by Sales@ESS

...We have honestly given up the 335 tuning market as it is not possible to compete without making unsafe and unreliable tuning...

So does this mean you won't be developing a hand held 'flash loader' (so users can reflash ECU at home) that was mentioned by ESS months ago?

It would be a shame to see ESS drop out of the 335 tuning market...

[jpsimon]

Originally Posted by stressdoc

Different cultures, different priorities.

USA = lease car for 3 years and dump it. Max power for stoplight drags.
Euro = long term reliability.

This reminds me of Eugen's issues with USA piggys vs. Euro flashes.

psh, I bought my car. I am modding it as much as I can and driving it as much as I can through snow ice rain and sun.

[bulldog_yyc]

Originally Posted by jpsimon

psh, I bought my car. I am modding it as much as I can and driving it as much as I can through snow ice rain and sun.

+1

[bulldog_yyc]

Originally Posted by turkish335

has the software been corrected to work wıth euro msd81 cars yet?

Originally Posted by Alpina_B3_Lux

I would be interested in that as well (for obvious reasons).

BUMP for an answer

[bulldog_yyc]

Originally Posted by turkish335

BUMP for an answer

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[stressdoc]

I'm waffling between GIAC & ESS. I like ESS experience, but GIAC has better dealer network here.

[brianhn1]

Originally Posted by stressdoc

I'm waffling between GIAC & ESS. I like ESS experience, but GIAC has better dealer network here.

I wouldn't buy ESS after they admitted of turning away from the 335i market.

[sales@ESSTuning]

Originally Posted by brianhn1

I wouldn't buy ESS after they admitted of turning away from the 335i market.

What Asbjorn meant was that we will not continue doing R&D to try and make more power for the 335 market. Asbjorn has spent the past 2 months working on 335 code to try and figure out how some of these high HP/TQ numbers were being claimed on pump fuel. He spent alot of time dyno and road testing all of our 335 software to see if there was something he was missing. It finally took having customer cars with the best piggybacks on the market and the best flashes available on our dyno for head to head testing and have them all perform exactly how we thought they would for him to be convinced that our product performs exactly how it should.

Our products in general are designed for customers who want safe reliable performance and a car that has very good power delivery on pump fuel. Our 335 software has been designed with 100% control over the DME to get the most performance possible and keep the motor safe and reliable. What we have found is that the majority of the 335 market seems to be skewed towards customers who want to take chances with the longevity of the turbos or are ok with limp modes and thrown codes to produce the biggest number they can on a dyno. This is not our customer and it never will be. We are fine with vendors who can make more power with race fuel and meth or by spinning the turbos at an unsafe level with super agressive maps because that is not a market share we want to compete for.

For customers who prefere a tune over a piggyback we will continue to sell and support our current 335 software. We actually just lowered our pricing to $495 stage 1 $595 stage 2 and $649 stage 3.

[Alpina_B3_Lux]

Originally Posted by Rom3n

What Asbjorn meant was that we will not continue doing R&D to try and make more power for the 335 market. Asbjorn has spent the past 2 months working on 335 code to try and figure out how some of these high HP/TQ numbers were being claimed on pump fuel. He spent alot of time dyno and road testing all of our 335 software to see if there was something he was missing. It finally took having customer cars with the best piggybacks on the market and the best flashes available on our dyno for head to head testing and have them all perform exactly how we thought they would for him to be convinced that our product performs exactly how it should.

Our products in general are designed for customers who want safe reliable performance and a car that has very good power delivery on pump fuel. Our 335 software has been designed with 100% control over the DME to get the most performance possible and keep the motor safe and reliable. What we have found is that the majority of the 335 market seems to be skewed towards customers who want to take chances with the longevity of the turbos or are ok with limp modes and thrown codes to produce the biggest number they can on a dyno. This is not our customer and it never will be. We are fine with vendors who can make more power with race fuel and meth or by spinning the turbos at an unsafe level with super agressive maps because that is not a market share we want to compete for.

For customers who prefere a tune over a piggyback we will continue to sell and support our current 335 software. We actually just lowered our pricing to $495 stage 1 $595 stage 2 and $649 stage 3.

Thanks for the explanation and your point of view which I completely share (and I think also quite many people here on the forum, though they may not be as verbose as the dynoqueen section).

Still, it would be nice to receive an answer to my question as to the compatibility with European DMEs. Thanks in advance.

Alpina_B3_Lux

[enrita]

Originally Posted by Alpina_B3_Lux

Thanks for the explanation and your point of view which I completely share (and I think also quite many people here on the forum, though they may not be as verbose as the dynoqueen section).

Still, it would be nice to receive an answer to my question as to the compatibility with European DMEs. Thanks in advance.

Alpina_B3_Lux

ESS is based in Norway and developped the flash with EU cars.....

[Heartware]

I am not sure if we are going anywhere with this number game. Even though I like big numbers, power is nothing without control. The ESS flash gives you a new level of control.
I actually manage to drift the car like an M3, nice and smooth. “Not just around in a circle or a roundabout”

There is a simple solution to all these chatter. We are going to battle out all these tunes against each others at the M5board airfield event of course!
Last year, only the Procede guys made it to the starting line.
This summer the modified JB3 took the pole.
I hope that this fall, the ECU Flashes will give us a big surprise.

Who knows =? I have just ordered a driftbox to hopefully record some real world customers data. And record some video for the crowd.

Stay tuned.

[enrita]

Originally Posted by Heartware

I am not sure if we are going anywhere with this number game. Even though I like big numbers, power is nothing without control. The ESS flash gives you a new level of control.
I actually manage to drift the car like an M3, nice and smooth. “Not just around in a circle or a roundabout”

There is a simple solution to all these chatter. We are going to battle out all these tunes against each others at the M5board airfield event of course!
Last year, only the Procede guys made it to the starting line.
This summer the modified JB3 took the pole.
I hope that this fall, the ECU Flashes will give us a big surprise.

Who knows =? I have just ordered a driftbox to hopefully record some real world customers data. And record some video for the crowd.

Stay tuned.

Heartware , i am sooo looking forward to race you at the event and see how the ESS stake out. We should actually run side by side 3 cars : procede, jb3 and ESS would be soo cool to shoot a video like that.

[bulldog_yyc]

Originally Posted by Alpina_B3_Lux

Still, it would be nice to receive an answer to my question as to the compatibility with European DMEs. Thanks in advance.

Alpina_B3_Lux

Originally Posted by enrita

ESS is based in Norway and developped the flash with EU cars.....

LOL not the last time we checked - MSD81 with Euro software on stage 3 or 4 was not working