[remydlc]

This does not smell good, m, more from robertrinaustin @ http://forums.evolutionm.net/showthread.php?t=305859

"As I see it, and I am a former customer, Vishnu's biggest problem is two fold; they're repeatedly using inferior hardware and have a history of abandoning markets/ communities. I'm sure in 3 or 4 years, the Proceeds will be as worthless as his Unichips and Xedes. And, as I posted before, if Al and many others still make a nice living tuning EVOs and other cars while managing to contribute to the community, Vishnu could as well. However, they've chosen to abandon both this market and this community.

Look how many questions there are in this forum about Vishnu products and find how many times anyone from Vishnu actually post. Fortunately, there are plenty of helpful people on here, so Vishnu suport comes from its great customers.

It's funny, when Vishnu debuted on the Subby scene, all the Mazda guys said just wait, he's only passing through. How right they've been. Vishnu, the ADD shop."

[Spool]

Originally Posted by Humtek

Exactly!!! The thing is... they make tons of money then they don't finish the entire project. Make money to fund the next project.

He's a businessman, he just does what he needs to do then move on to bigger things....once the GTR hits the street, you guys can kiss your support good bye for good. Not the most ethical thing to do, let your fans and clients hang dry like that, but it's business, and that's life.

[e90AW335i]

Originally Posted by Spool

He's a businessman, he just does what he needs to do then move on to bigger things....once the GTR hits the street, you guys can kiss your support good bye for good. Not the most ethical thing to do, let your fans and clients hang dry like that, but it's business, and that's life.

Unfortunately true....

[cn555ic]

Listen there is no need to bash Shivs and company, the Procede is a awesome product....He hasn't abandon it at all...what we want to know is why Eugene left the Procede platform

[NM_BMW]

Originally Posted by Spool

He's a businessman, he just does what he needs to do then move on to bigger things....once the GTR hits the street, you guys can kiss your support good bye for good. Not the most ethical thing to do, let your fans and clients hang dry like that, but it's business, and that's life.

Your not getting the point. As a businessman your business is your clients. You treat them bad then you have no clients. When a company does wrong it will spread faster through word of mouth than if a company does right.

We are off topic here though. I just wanted to share the past of Vishnu, so you are all not shocked again.

[Carnage]

Originally Posted by remydlc

This does not smell good, m, more from robertrinaustin @ http://forums.evolutionm.net/showthread.php?t=305859

"As I see it, and I am a former customer, Vishnu's biggest problem is two fold; they're repeatedly using inferior hardware and have a history of abandoning markets/ communities. I'm sure in 3 or 4 years, the Proceeds will be as worthless as his Unichips and Xedes. And, as I posted before, if Al and many others still make a nice living tuning EVOs and other cars while managing to contribute to the community, Vishnu could as well. However, they've chosen to abandon both this market and this community.

Look how many questions there are in this forum about Vishnu products and find how many times anyone from Vishnu actually post. Fortunately, there are plenty of helpful people on here, so Vishnu suport comes from its great customers.

It's funny, when Vishnu debuted on the Subby scene, all the Mazda guys said just wait, he's only passing through. How right they've been. Vishnu, the ADD shop."

“Those who do not learn from history are doomed to repeat it” - George Santayana

[e90AW335i]

So I guess until Shiv, or Eugen respond the rest of our comments are off-topic...

[ADHD]

lmao!!! I love it Ive been rockign JB2 for a while know and Im cleary satisfied!!

[remydlc]

Originally Posted by Spool

He's a businessman, he just does what he needs to do then move on to bigger things....once the GTR hits the street, you guys can kiss your support good bye for good. Not the most ethical thing to do, let your fans and clients hang dry like that, but it's business, and that's life.

Many ppl will chase him wherever forum his is at if he does something to us like that, including me , and stop the shit they are doing. Look at my previous post, ppl bought their xede for $900, now is worth $20 becuase they dont offer support support anymore.

[ADHD]

Originally Posted by kyleh4852

So I guess until Shiv, or Eugen respond the rest of our comments are off-topic...

The truth hurts i doubt theyll have much to say!!

didnt shiv get banned from some mitsu forums? someone told me it was because he blew too many of their engines or whatever but hell thats a rumor for all i know

[e90AW335i]

Originally Posted by ADHD

The truth hurts i doubt theyll have much to say!!

At least Shiv probably wont. I hope Eugen shares his thoughts though....

[cn555ic]

Originally Posted by kyleh4852

So I guess until Shiv, or Eugen respond the rest of our comments are off-topic...

well yes and no....i guess everyone is speculating of what the reason is i guess....I for one need to know because i am getting my upgrade by the end of the week

[stillclaimndp]

lol I can't believe a thread about 1 procede user selling his procede... Eugen is a true celeb I can't wait for 2.02, who knows what maps the future will hold. I'm still all in! I know these guys and I talked to them a few hours ago, they're out testing, this is all they do. Something to be said for that~

[NM_BMW]

You would think if the boost spike was of very big concern we would see a post right away letting us know to go back to v1 while v2 gets worked on.

[lawdude]

I wonder if there's a loud sucking noise as people cancel their V2 orders.

[Spool]

Originally Posted by Humtek

Your not getting the point. As a businessman your business is your clients. You treat them bad then you have no clients. When a company does wrong it will spread faster through word of mouth than if a company does right.

the Evo forum has been bad mouthing Vishnu for awhile, he's still successful here...but i know what you mean, your clients are the backbone of your business. But as far as going out of your way to help your clients, esp. ones who already paid you, i don't see many businessmen doing that.

[Vyruz Reaper]

Originally Posted by E90ice

Wow. But I can't say that I'm shocked because Vishnu never had a good reputation for customer service, product delivery & support etc.

and blowing cars in the evo world.... hahah this is sooooooooooooo funny... i remember when i first joined the forums, and i gave shiv any greif, everyoine was quick to back him up like a god on here... one of my buddies' cousin had his engone blown by vishnu. same thing happend to vishnu on the evo forums. everyone loved shiv and vishnu, and after problems with products and some blown engoines, everyone hated him.... do i sense a repeat of history coming??? lol

[OpenFlash]

Wow... This forum moves fast. Step away from the computer for a few hours and look what happens. To make a long story short, it appears that Eugen and i had different interpretations of a datalog and opinions on how a turbo engine should be tuned. If its okay with him, I can post up the email exchange from earlier this morning. But only if he gives me permission.

shiv

Ps. There were no 20psi boost spikes involved. It had to so with boost targeting at partial throttle (sub 14psi). Im still a bit confused over it but perhaps others can offer their input.

[nj335i]

I believe he misled the new R56 Mini crowd on NAM as well... He promised a product and never delivered...

Originally Posted by Vyruz Reaper

and blowing cars in the evo world.... hahah this is sooooooooooooo funny... i remember when i first joined the forums, and i gave shiv any greif, everyoine was quick to back him up like a god on here... one of my buddies' cousin had his engone blown by vishnu. same thing happend to vishnu on the evo forums. everyone loved shiv and vishnu, and after problems with products and some blown engoines, everyone hated him.... do i sense a repeat of history coming??? lol

shit.... i hope not!

[Vinobien]

No comment from Vishnu .. no surprise. They are reeling. shiv has read this thread no doubt and realizes he's in trouble. I have waited for the v2 for months at #165 and nothing. I uninstalled my 1.47 while I got my oil cooler installed. I am leaving it it off and I am 50-50 on whether I will sell the whole thing when v2 arrives.

I wouldn't be surprised if the price of a used v2 on this site is half of a new product due to what I believe will be many folks trying to sell.

I am getting tired of no customer service. Don't they get it?