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06-13-2013, 09:19 PM | #89 |
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If the shop that installed the oil cooler does not fess up or agree to pay by Monday morning I would contact an attorney and just get a real opinion on what you should do next...
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Foghat, looks like you're right, fucked up as it is, a quick look through disclosure law and sure enough. Only required to disclose; Flood, rebuild, or salvage. So you're correct, per the legal requirement. Guess it would just come down to a person being honorable, doing the right thing. Buyer beware indeed... As for the rest? I'm not working an angle, that statement doesn't make sense, I have nothing to gain one way or another. The notion that modding an engine has no effect on durability and long term survival is disingenuous. Higher HP = more stress = more heat. It's not guess work, this is fact. Increases via mods that include improved cooling, etc. can go a long ways to mitigating these stresses and there's a few here who have addressed this as the OP was trying to address it. But many do not, and function under this delusion of power for free because someone on a forum says "yeah they're safe"...
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06-13-2013, 10:45 PM | #91 | |
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We just don't know what the long-term effect of running tunes and such will be on this platform - assuming by long term we are talking beyond 150,000 or so miles. We are finding that bmw over-engineered this engine/drive train and, I suspect, could have likely run a lot more power from the factory if they wanted. And like I noted, depending out how things play out, it could be moot anyways if the mileage numbers turn out to be high enough. I'd suspect an argument could be made that running a pro-tune specific to your car, climate, gas etc, is probably better than running the canned tune - when not in boost. And really, unless you are racing, you aren't in boost (over factory levels) that often - in the grand scheme of things. So who is to say, having a safer tune, better cooling, better flowing exhaust, etc isn't enough to maybe offset the increased wear from running higher than factory boost levels from time to time? Truth is probably somewhere in the middle. And as an aside, while I believe in being as honest as is reasonable when selling something used - you think it is fucked up that it is buyer beware when buying used. Can you imagine how fucked up things would be if you could be sued because you forgot to disclose something (even if the car was in perfect working order) or if the car literally broke as the buyer was driving it home just by pure coincidental bad timing? |
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06-14-2013, 04:06 AM | #92 |
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Your engine was starved of oil. No question. It has nothing to do with mods. 75K is nothing and over-modded engines don't fail gradually like this; they fail spectacularly by throwing rods. Unless you heard the rod knock before you had the a accident, it's not just a coincidence that it happened when you first picked it up. You're engine was starved of oil either as result of the accident or by a mistake made during the repair.
Get the accident oil cooler flow tested. If it works, then it was the repair. Someone screwed up. Have the codes scanned independently. If there's nothing there, scan the date (odometer mileage?) for when the codes were last cleared (don't know if that's possible). Don't let them pin it on you. You will need to get agressive with these guys if they won't own up to botching the repair. Last edited by SharkBait; 06-14-2013 at 04:13 AM.. |
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06-14-2013, 08:07 AM | #93 |
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This is a prime example of why you DON'T take your car to the insurance company's recommended shop. The give you "suggested shops" because they are the LOWEST cost and bidder. My friend did this and the entire car was put together with rep parts. The bumpers grills were a solid piece, radiator was repaired not replaced. They align themselves to save money for the insurer.
They can't force you into a shop because that's known as steerage and illegal. Do yourself a favor and go to a reputable repair shop next time and NEVER take the recommendation. By law you can go ANYWHERE. As for the motor, this can be construed as part of the original peril. You got into accident>shop repairs car> car is still broken. The insurer will have to cover the motor. They may seek action against the shop if it isn't corrected.
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06-14-2013, 08:36 AM | #94 |
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Hopefully, this is the direction the shop is going with it. It is in their best interest to have the insurance company cover the engine as it creates more revenue for them, I would think. If it gets put on me, I am going to have to fight like he!! with someone which isn't good for anyone.
I have INPA on my laptop so I will pull codes and see what's there. Hopefully the car logged some useful data.
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06-14-2013, 04:42 PM | #95 |
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not 100% yet but, sounds like insurance is going to pay for a new/used engine to be installed, unless it's too expensive then they will total it out. But still in a holding pattern until Tuesday.
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06-18-2013, 10:08 AM | #96 |
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Update, insurance is going to cover an engine replacement with a used motor from LKQ they said it has less miles than my current motor. Engine is to be delivered tomorrow and estimate 2 weeks to completion.
Eurowise will do the work, they seem to be a very reputable shop in charlotte. BMW suggested a flywheel and clutch replacement? Not sure how they know since they claimed they pushed it in out of the shop and never put it on the lift... Might be the right time to do since they will have it torn apart any suggestions? Not sure how I feel about the whole thing but it is what it is I guess.
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06-18-2013, 12:40 PM | #97 |
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It couldn't have been a crimped line that caused this. You can completely block the oil cooler, hell you could completely clog up the filter and your car will simply bypass these and allow uncooled, unfiltered oil to flow with zero problems. There have been internal oil system pressure bypass/relief valves on virtually every engine that I've ever seen, they work to bypass the filter (or cooler) in case of a blockage. Really cold days when the oil is super thick and not flowing freely through the filter are an example, the rationale of every major manufacturer is it's better to have cold, thick oil circulating than a complete or partial blockage.
Your shop probably ran it without any oil or without enough oil. Happens all the time and engines are very sensitive to this. I worked at a racing full service shop for years. Whether it was a stock honda with 50k miles or a supercharged camaro with 700hp and 190k miles, virtually every engine failure could be traced back to oil or coolant being empty, low, or not circulating. That causes parts to overheat (oil or coolant cooled components) and metal on metal contact (bearings) that is never intended to happen, ever. Good luck OP. |
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06-19-2013, 01:31 PM | #99 | |
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You should next consider diminished value. Car will now be listed as having an engine swap and could be deemed less valuable as result. Rules vary by state. Educate yourself on what is possible in your state and when the time is right, bring it up with your insurance company. |
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06-19-2013, 03:20 PM | #100 | |
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06-19-2013, 07:40 PM | #101 |
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Saw the engine today, not crazy about it. It's an 07 with 62,000 miles on it. comes with 12 month parts and labor warranty. Shop that is doing install has done 4 engines this year on 335i's and is just finishing up a 7 series.
I am going to look into the laws in NC about engine swaps and how it affects title. I think at this point I am going to drive it for the remainder of the summer then trade it in. If I decide on this route I am not going to put any extra money into the car. I am worried I put a clutch in maybe a water pump, then the turbos start to go, or oil housing gasket, it seems once cars get to around the 80,000 to 100,000 miles there is a laundry list of things that may or may not arise. I don't think I can claim diminished value since the fender bender was my fault, even though that probably was not the root of the engine failure.
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06-19-2013, 07:49 PM | #102 |
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Holy shittttt. With posts like MrRager here on the forum, no wonder people take forum advice with a grain of salt. Jeeeezus! MrRager here has probably never cracked open the bottom end of an engine. Rod knock going AWAY as RPM's rise!?
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06-19-2013, 08:32 PM | #104 | |
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Rod knock was real bad when feathering throttle, and in higher rpms, but quiet when on constant throttle or cruising. So far the list of causes is: 1. Body shop didn't put enough oil in after oil cooler install. 2. Metal shavings from oil cooler washed into engine. 3. Something happened during fender bender causing oil starvation. 4. Walnuts from valve cleaning got in engine from 6 months ago (unlikely) 5. BMW dealership claims mods and driving hard under high boost(duesche bags) |
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06-19-2013, 08:58 PM | #105 | |
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The cause was #1 for sure...
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06-19-2013, 11:54 PM | #106 | |
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2. Unlikely. You'd have lots of grey oil, shavings in the oil pickup strainer, oil filter and in the pan. 3. Unlikely. 4. Nope. 5. Nope. |
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07-10-2013, 12:15 PM | #107 |
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Update: replacement engine from LKQ was put in end of last week, they got everything buttoned up Monday and it wasn't idling well, yesterday 4pm got a call, crankshaft, in the replacement engine, is bent and they will have to start from scratch with another new engine...
I attempted to give them a piece of my mind in hopes they pick a engine from a car with rear end or side damage instead of front. Not sure how much say I get since it's not my money but it is my car.
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07-10-2013, 12:19 PM | #108 | |
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07-10-2013, 02:20 PM | #109 |
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Competition BMW in smithtown NY installed my hybrid turbos and did the same thing to my engine... gave it back with a rod knock, i drove it 18 miles after telling them it was going to blow when I left after they had the car for a week to "fix" the noise I originally heard...
they changed a ton of shit in the head to mask vanos codes the starvation also caused and gave it back with rod knock, than denied warranty or responsibility.. I wouldnt go any where near COMPETITION BMW IN SMITHTOWN NY... not to buy, lease, look at a car, service a car, or take a dump in their toilet... Shops now a days are heartless and all about $, corporate or not.... its sad... I had to buy a replacement motor which i got from OEM PARTS ONLY on ebay, installed after a month due to turbo rebuild etc, and the crank is damaged and bent and he is NOT covering his engine... crank wobbles n car is screwed basically, runs fine but for how long? no idea I will be visiting cali and this guy shortly... hows that for bad luck? Youre car should be fine with motor swap, i wouldnt sweat it
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