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08-01-2011, 11:17 PM | #111 |
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In racing, once you spin you lose your "claim" to the track. Also you can not impede the progress of other cars, that's the basic rule. It's not just an F1 thing, that a racing thing. Once you have spun, you need to get back going, but only when it is safe to do so. Hammy didn't wait until it was safe. If he had waited until the 4 cars that came through had passed, then performed the spin, he would have been fine. But, he was impatient.
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there seems to be so much kumbaya @ mclaren between the two drivers i wished RBR had that sometimes....
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And before you mention that he could have just driven straight off the track to get out of the way, first remember that off the track was very wet and may have resulted in a DNF since he was facing the wrong way. Secondly, Button came up onto him on the outside, opposite of di Resta, so had Hamilton stayed put or closed the outside to Button, it is possible that Button would have been hindered either way. (That is by either having to follow di Resta as a back marker through the scene or go off the track on the outside, in which Hamilton still might have recieved a penalty for it.)
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Have you ever done a track day or been on a race track ?
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08-02-2011, 03:06 PM | #117 |
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Maybe Hamilton's move wasn't ideal, but possibly one of the better options he could choose. And I don't think if he drove straight ahead (crossing a racing line) is not too ideal given the amount of traffic coming towards him.
Plus I think in all fairness, he executed alright (not perfect). Its all "possible" worse might happen if he just sit still, or di Resta might still going off to dodge him. Who knows. In the heat of the moment, where he just made a self-inflict mistake and just missed collide with his teammate. I think he did alright, I might've done the same if I were in his shoes.
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However, I understand that from di Resta's perspective watching Hamilton spin his car like that would cause concern. I am not advocating the move, I'm simply saying that his options were limited. And I'll also say, that I doubt any of us have raced a car in anger with the degree of involvement and pressure that the F1 guys do. Even after I have done one, ten, even sixty track-days I don't think I would begin to elude that I know what it is like for them.
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During a BMWCCA race at Willow Springs, I spun my e46 M3 exiting turn 9. This left me in the middle of the track facing the opposite direction as several other cars exited the turn leading to the front straight. It was scary but I held tight, realizing my fellow competitors would see me and avoid me. As soon as they got around me, I spun the car around and rejoined the fray. Afterwards, many of my fellow racers came to me to thank me for handling that situation in such a calm and smart manner.
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I understand the different points of view; but I still agree with xbook et al, he was impatient, because in the split second after the spin, he realised that he was screwed, so he spun it back, and he got punished, which was fair. end of story... if he had waited like he should've, he would've been ROYALLY screwed, but hey, nobody told him to spin... some say if he had gone off course it would've possibly resulted in a DNF. well, you can't put the rest at risk just cause you spun and don't want to abandon, can you? whether he actually saw Di Resta and recognised him or whatever is neither here nor there, because running in 4th or whatever position he was in, he KNEW there were cars coming and how narrow the track is (i.e. he knew he was screwed). he may have not been lying about not having seen him, but it's a BS excuse IMO... by the way, Di Resta was NOT a backmarker at the time; he ran in the top 10 all weekend.
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at least his body language was happier than Webber when Seb won....unless he's a great actor....just saying...
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It is NOT a rule that you WAIT for other cars to pass before the track is clear to get back on. That is true when you're doing a DE event, but that's because safety is an absolute top priority. Spinning to right yourself on track in traffic is usually fine off the racing line, f1 drivers know what they are doing and can control their car and put it where they want it, it's not like they are you and might end up 3 car lengths from where they were trying to go. Don't compare DE events to f1, please. It's ridiculous.
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Who said you're in F1, then you can recover whenever you want and cause other drivers to avoid you. Who the hell you think you are. Backmarkers or not, they have the right to use the racing line like any other. Once LH spun off, his right to move back to racing line was removed until the track to clear. Forcing other drivers or perform a move that cause a driver off the track is called "impeding" other drivers. And he got slapped with a "drive thru".
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08-03-2011, 08:54 AM | #128 | |
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And you can impede drivers rejoining the track all you damn well please, just because you go off track doesn't mean you're no longer racing, you just cant crash into them and force them off track. and I still don't think di rossa HAD to go off track, there was still a car width in the racing line, he just flinched.
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Bolding text and ignoring what directly follows it makes you a moron.
I'll give you a for instance, you go off track, and come back on in front of a driver who caught up with you in the meantime, you are going slower then them and they have to slow not to run into you. According to xbook you can't do this, but it's perfectly legal and is done all the time. Additionally, had hamilton been farther off the racing line and spun around while traffic was going past he would also have been perfectly fine. So, back to the original point you are ignoring, you don't just have to sit there till traffic passes, you just can't crash into them or run them off track. Now quit being a moron and actually read.
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08-03-2011, 12:20 PM | #131 | |
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08-03-2011, 12:29 PM | #132 | |
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King of argument by just calling people moron. Anyways, the case you presented was not valid, you're gave an example a slow traffic going along the flow of the race track. Not facing the wrong direction. Let me remind you, Australian GP 2010, Fernando Alonso was facing the wrong direction, he waited the whole field to get pass. You can say Paul Di Resta should've seen it coming and thread his car right next to Lewis's. It is apparent that Lewis Hamilton performed a move that Paul di Resta did not expect and spooked him to went off track to avoid. You can race doesn't mean you have to drive like an ass.
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