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11-08-2021, 03:48 PM | #111 |
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I have a feeling these tough laws forcing EV's will eventually be pushed out somewhat as the infrastructure is just not going to all be there in 10-15 years. Then I think about all the 2nd hand cars sent to "emerging" markets in Latin America, Africa, and Asia and their lack of funds to support the infrastructure to switch to EV's...most of the developing world will still pollute the world so it all just seems so convoluted.
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11-08-2021, 06:55 PM | #112 | |
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There's also a cost issue. If people can't afford cars now, they won't in the near future either. So it might not just be a transferring of the cars to somewhere else. Sometimes technology skips a step too. I remember, long ago now, a gal in an MBA class from Czech Republic annoyed that her cell phone didn't work here. This is back when we had flip phones with blocky text, hers was a generation ahead. She'd said that land lines (copper) weren't really very widespread so the adoption of cell phones really took hold quickly and they were far ahead of us. At the time at least. I'm not trying to say you're wrong or predict the future. Just that it may work out differently than what seems obvious. |
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11-08-2021, 07:30 PM | #114 |
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11-09-2021, 08:35 AM | #116 |
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Nope. This is a remote charging station for EV‘s. It uses a generator. I realize they are not all that way but you still have to generate electricity somehow and most electrical generation plants in America are coal fired because the environmentalists won’t let us build more nuclear powered facilities.
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11-09-2021, 01:30 PM | #119 | |
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And guess how the infrastructure is built to support the electric fantasy? A bunch of fossil fueled vehicles. |
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11-09-2021, 01:33 PM | #120 | |
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11-09-2021, 08:55 PM | #121 | |
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My point above also ties to this one too...My cousin has big business sending 2nd hand cars to Central America from the states. He told me the auctions are full of buyers like him who are sending 2nd hand cars to countries like Nigeria, etc. New cars are heavily taxed in those countries. A new Honda Civic costs $45,000 in Brazil....and the average Brazilian makes under $500 a month.. the economics does not make sense to immediately switch over to EV's for most in the world so suddenly when there isn't the infrastructure in place nor the incomes to afford a brand new EV...unless Elon can come up with a $10k EV that the developing world could afford...I look at current EV's like the automobiles available pre Model T.
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11-09-2021, 08:58 PM | #122 | |
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11-09-2021, 09:12 PM | #123 |
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Cant believe people think moving to electric cars is going to actually save us from something. Holy god.
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Unless you live in an urban area, most will leave their cars plugged in at home so I don’t think number is stations is that lacking given current number of EVs on the road. |
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11-09-2021, 10:35 PM | #125 | |
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Some world governments see BEV as a blanket solution to be applied globally. This will not work. BEV should be taken as a localised solution. It will fit some perfectly but not for others. This is the reason why Toyota believes BEV is not THE solution and instead investing in other solutions that is more versatile. Last edited by Karmic Man; 11-09-2021 at 10:46 PM.. |
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11-10-2021, 02:46 AM | #126 |
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Electric digger charged by Diesel generator in Oslo Norway.
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11-10-2021, 08:26 AM | #127 |
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I believe we all agree the infrastructure is 15-20 years out for a full EV life.
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11-10-2021, 12:25 PM | #128 | |
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In LA, so many people street park. Literally the entire basin, bleeding into north/west Orange County, is street parking-dependent. How do they plan on providing a charging network for these people? And what would be the environmental impact of trying to build and upkeep so many chargers? I'm really not convinced EVs are the answer for everybody. Invest in infrastructure, sure, but let the people decide which type of vehicle works best for their lifestyle. Passenger cars make up a minute percentage of overall CO2 emissions, and even converting 100% of them to EV tomorrow would not make a dent in climate change progression. In 20-30 yrs when all cars are EV, climate change will continue to chug along. It's always comical seeing smug colleagues hop in their Teslas and go to their 5000 sq ft energy-consuming homes, thinking they are saving the world.
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11-11-2021, 08:51 AM | #130 |
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I appreciate the transparency Volvo provides for people buying their EVs.
Their provided information clearly shows there is a small emissions advantage for opting for the EV, not a massive advantage and not a zero advantage. And it also shows that just creating a new car creates a massive amount of emissions in the first place, and most of it is not related to the battery. As we speak, China is ordering hundreds of new coal mines to be opened to meet the world's growing demands for parts, including magnesium which is required for aluminum in cars. They also provide the breakeven point where the EV is better than the ICE version of the vehicle. For this model it is 110k / 68k miles, another piece of information buyers may want to know (for example, my wife drives about 4000 miles per year...it would take her 17 years to reach the breakeven point...she would be better off buying the ICE version). I think this kind of information is rare because it clearly shows that the best thing people can do for the climate is...to not buy new cars. And car brands don't want people to know that. Last edited by taek; 11-11-2021 at 08:56 AM.. |
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11-12-2021, 12:59 PM | #131 | |
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But no, this state has too much red tape and financial interest in making sure it does not happen. Gotta keep all the companies with a vested interest in car dependence happy.
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11-18-2021, 08:57 AM | #132 |
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I personally am happy for an EV future.
The more people that sell their old ICE E30s, E36s, E46s for a new EV, would make me happy as I will be able to pick up their "junkers" at a low price. May drive gas prices down too! Premium is expensive! Wishful thinking right? |
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