[paapaa]

the 330d (not the 245hp model) engine doesnt differ much from 325d... exhaust valves are different, with exactly same remap i get about -50nm and -15hp...thats not so much...BUT...well you get allready the same hp as tuned 330d model here, in finland

How can you say that 325d cant be tuned to 270hp, because its only +10hp from what you allready got

have you timed 0-100km/h or 400m?

ps.nice remap!

[foxy-367]

Originally Posted by Mantis64

I think the 323D (biturbo) will replace the 320D as the "performance" 4cyl diesel, and the 325D will stay as a "budget" 6cyl
The 330D as performance manual option, and the 335D as auto.

You're probably onto something with this. When you look at the current range, you have the 318d available in all models (ie ES SE and M Sport) the 320d available in all models then the 320d Efficient Dynamics which is essentially an SE with some slight mods to make it more efficient, I can see the normal 320d being dropped to be replaced by a 323d.

There is a case for dropping the 323d in as a performance alternative and dropping the standard 320d's all apart from the ED version. What is more likely though is that they add in the slightly higher powered 2litre being put in the new 5 series (184hp) and leave the 325d well alone. After all I for one would prefer to have 204hp from a straight six than from a 4 pot twin turbo. It probably suits the character of the 1 series better and keeps it more lithe on the road where as a 3 series suits the creamy delivery of six cylinders.

[Mantis64]

Originally Posted by paapaa

the 330d (not the 245hp model) engine doesnt differ much from 325d... exhaust valves are different, with exactly same remap i get about -50nm and -15hp...thats not so much...BUT...well you get allready the same hp as tuned 330d model here, in finland

How can you say that 325d cant be tuned to 270hp, because its only +10hp from what you allready got

have you timed 0-100km/h or 400m?

ps.nice remap!

270 is not far off but I wouldn't risk it.
But they take the 330D to almost 290HP, which is a very significant difference and proofs it's not the same engine.
You also have to look at the curve, not only the peak HP.
And I've never seen a trustworthy dyno from a 325D putting out more than 265HP...

Still, all in all the 325D was the best choice for me and the remap makes it a total beast.
And I haven't timed 0-100 or 400m, I'll try to do that sometime

[paapaa]

Originally Posted by Mantis64

270 is not far off but I wouldn't risk it.
But they take the 330D to almost 290HP, which is a very significant difference and proofs it's not the same engine.
You also have to look at the curve, not only the peak HP.
And I've never seen a trustworthy dyno from a 325D putting out more than 265HP...

Still, all in all the 325D was the best choice for me and the remap makes it a total beast.
And I haven't timed 0-100 or 400m, I'll try to do that sometime

yes its a bit risk for me to believe the ESS tuning has better map than i currently have....i have asked the price and waiting for it (yesterday i called them and they promised answers today)..of course i dont know until remapping done, is their map a lot better than my current map is :/

i have 3 choices currently because dont have money just now to do all things at the same time:

1.get a new map from ESS and hope that it gives +20hp and +50nm more than my current map about 240hp 550nm

2.my current remapper takes the "bottleneck" DPF away and get some hp and nm more.

3.or get Oz racing hlt lighweight wheels so that wheels+tyres would be moren than 6kg lighter in each corner.

i know the choice 3 would be safiest and best...but 1 and 2 would be interesting too :/

ps.not going to call them no more and if they wont answer...well then my choice would be easier 2 or 3.

what would you do?

[BMWLOVE100]

yas I think

[paapaa]

Originally Posted by BMWLOVE100

yas I think

yas???

[dagjohnsen]

Paapaa,

you will probably get +40 hp and +100 NM, and if you have a manual gearbox the new revlimiter will make the car so much more longlegged. Especially in
1st and 2nd, 95 km/h in 2nd and 150 km/h in 3rd :-)

[paapaa]

Originally Posted by dagjohnsen

Paapaa,

you will probably get +40 hp and +100 NM, and if you have a manual gearbox the new revlimiter will make the car so much more longlegged. Especially in
1st and 2nd, 95 km/h in 2nd and 150 km/h in 3rd :-)

sounds very good
i do have manual gearbox.

its so damn hard to believe ESS can take more power from 325d than my local remapper who has done things remaps and other stuff over 20 years :/
and the real question is if the ++hp and ++nm gain really make my car accelerate faster.

the new revlimit would be 100% sure a very good thing, that i have no doubt at all.

-kai

[TMP]

Originally Posted by paapaa

2.my current remapper takes the "bottleneck" DPF away and get some hp and nm more.

Wouldnt this be a MOT fail and look like a '80s taxi when you pull away?

[paapaa]

Originally Posted by TMP

Wouldnt this be a MOT fail and look like a '80s taxi when you pull away?

good questin but answer is NO it doesnt.

they only take the DPF filter off and replace it with a straight pipe.
the catalytic converter is still in original place, if they would remove that...
well then it would be an old taxi like you said.

and..no warnings in dash and no mot fail, because they dont measure diesel particel "micro" something in tests.

i am making appointment in a 1-2 weeks and dyno is before and after...will post then results.

[Mantis64]

Originally Posted by dagjohnsen

Paapaa,

you will probably get +40 hp and +100 NM, and if you have a manual gearbox the new revlimiter will make the car so much more longlegged. Especially in
1st and 2nd, 95 km/h in 2nd and 150 km/h in 3rd :-)

You mean compared to his map now?
I still have to see the first dyno to prove that, the one on their site is rubbish.
And when they proposed me to "mail my ECU" to them, I knew I would have to go somewhere else.
And if you look at their map for the 335D (only 335HP, 630NM) that's pretty low with other tuners going to 340HP and 680NM...

[foxy-367]

Originally Posted by paapaa

good questin but answer is NO it doesnt.

they only take the DPF filter off and replace it with a straight pipe.
the catalytic converter is still in original place, if they would remove that...
well then it would be an old taxi like you said.

and..no warnings in dash and no mot fail, because they dont measure diesel particel "micro" something in tests.

i am making appointment in a 1-2 weeks and dyno is before and after...will post then results.

The DPF takes the soot out not the cat (The clue is in the title - "Dust Particulate Filter") . Most diesel cars have had Cats for a while but not DPF's yet my old golf still smoked like an old bus when I gave it a boot full. So no it wouldn't fail an MOT but yes it would smoke like an old taxi.

[Mantis64]

Originally Posted by paapaa

good questin but answer is NO it doesnt.

they only take the DPF filter off and replace it with a straight pipe.
the catalytic converter is still in original place, if they would remove that...
well then it would be an old taxi like you said.

and..no warnings in dash and no mot fail, because they dont measure diesel particel "micro" something in tests.

i am making appointment in a 1-2 weeks and dyno is before and after...will post then results.

Or a Diesel Particulate Filter
My 320D didn't have one and I was pretty embarrassed by the black smoke I left behind at the stop lights.
If you don't care about that, go ahead, but think twice
You're better off with a few less HP's and a clean exhaust!!

[TMP]

Originally Posted by Mantis64

Or a Diesel Particulate Filter
My 320D didn't have one and I was pretty embarrassed by the black smoke I left behind at the stop lights.
If you don't care about that, go ahead, but think twice
You're better off with a few less HP's and a clean exhaust!!

+1 and diesel particulates are a nasty local polutant so do your bit and keep the DPF on!

[paapaa]

Originally Posted by TMP

+1 and diesel particulates are a nasty local polutant so do your bit and keep the DPF on!

i wont keep it. look at USA and they all drive like V8 benzin cars, and the amount of european cars is quite marginal compared to amount of cars in USA...
it is rare that some one take off the DPF so it really doesnt matter to the environment....if you dont wanna pollute, walk or take a bike or use bus or train.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Passeng...er_of_vehicles

roughly 251 million vehicles

[foxy-367]

Originally Posted by Mantis64

Or a Diesel Particulate Filter

Sorry thats what I meant! I was in a bit of a rush!!!

[paapaa]

hmm i think i was bit off when saying it wont smoke after DPF is taken away.yes it will smoke but i wont believe it would smoke like 80´s taxi

i have seen tuned diesel cars without dpf and wont smoke like 80´s taxis.its all in the eys who´s watching.

talked yesterday with the tuner and my 325d allready within safety marginal when using the 330d remap...i think i mean its not possible to take a lot more with this setup..still hope to get more torque.

we also talked about stage 3 ohh ahh i dont know how to translate i mean "nozzle"´s from 335D and a bigger turbo,exhaus and hmm the all "gearbox/clucth" from x5 to handle the torque.would be a rocket even faster than remapped 335d i believe. but dont know how much the chassis would take.

[paapaa]

yeah..its dynoed and i will pick up my baby tomottor

dynoed 270hp 580nm so i am very satisfied...thats enough.

i believe i notice the +30nm +30hp in acceleration

-kai

[paapaa]

its done and whouu!!
i have printed dyno paper and 270hp and 580nm...
was very fun to drive now!

dpf and catalysator are away and i can assure NO SMOKE at all!!! so no BS about that...i dont know how other tuners do it but i dont have any reason to lie...

its fantastic now!!! will try to get standard 335d quarter mile time 13.9 this summer...or under...maybe

i cannot explain next thing 100% right words...but...
the turbo would have given even more, but the standard
injectors are now the bottle neck...so would have to change 335d injectors and the turbo would be then
the next bottleneck....but would maybe give about 300hp level....without bigger turbo....

[dxb335d]

Very Happy for you Kai, Bet the car shifts very well now.

What have they done with the guvernor? raised the limit? For what reason!?

[paapaa]

Originally Posted by dxb335d

Very Happy for you Kai, Bet the car shifts very well now.

What have they done with the guvernor? raised the limit? For what reason!?

ahh rev limit...

it is not removed. it will pull more strongly as before to higher revs but i asked and tuner said i still should change gear at least at 4000 rpm.

previously i asked about removing the rev limit and i got detailed (dont remember technically so well) why it is no point of doing that.

[paapaa]

dyno paper...