[AR_Motorwerkz]

Originally Posted by supra93

https://www.supramkv.com/threads/toy...16#post-180429

Finally a stick shift! This will be hella fun on the track for sure!

[supra93]

https://www.supramkv.com/threads/toy...27#post-189918

Originally Posted by Stvee

I was able to see the order simulator screen that dealerships have access to the other day through a dealer contact. For the manual there were 3 options listed:

GR Supra 3.0 6MT
GR Supra 3.0 Premium 6MT
GR Supra 3.0 SE 6MT

Based on that it sounds like we are actually getting the manual on the base trim as well. Previous leaks had said premium only but that might just be for the Japanese market. It also seems to confirm that the special edition model will be manual only for 2023 since there wasn't an SE version listed for the automatic.

The MSRP section was still blank though.

[alex2364]

Isn’t there also a rumor Toyota will put the S58 in the Supra?

[supra93]

https://www.supramkv.com/threads/toy...n-supra.13082/

[OkieSnuffBox]

Originally Posted by alex2364

Isn’t there also a rumor Toyota will put the S58 in the Supra?

Yeah it's been a rumor for approaching 3 years.

[supra93]

https://www.supramkv.com/threads/%F0...-2#post-191928

Toyota GAZOO Racing sports car customers and fans have spoken, and we've listened. The Toyota GR Supra with all-new, tailor-made manual transmission is coming soon.

Developed to meet the demands of driving purists, the upcoming Toyota GR Supra Manual Transmission has been engineered to offer enthusiasts something closer to the GAZOO Racing DNA that also enhances the driving experience.

Identified by the new red-coloured "Supra" badge, the upcoming manual transmission addition to the sports car line-up of GAZOO Racing is unmistakably a Toyota GR Supra, while also bringing a desirable feature that it is something pure, unique and special.

Watch this space for more information in the coming weeks.

#savethemanual

[Hegge]

Originally Posted by OkieSnuffBox

Yeah it's been a rumor for approaching 3 years.

The S58 Supra would be the one to get, not the manual version. I think I read the S58 Supra will be extremely limited edition.

[Karmic Man]

Originally Posted by Hegge

The S58 Supra would be the one to get, not the manual version. I think I read the S58 Supra will be extremely limited edition.

Looks like MT+S58 only due to the B58+MT does not comply with certain emission standards...a bit like how the M2C dropped the N55

[KevinC]

Originally Posted by Hegge

The S58 Supra would be the one to get, not the manual version. I think I read the S58 Supra will be extremely limited edition.

Yeah, can't get much more limited than ZERO. There will be no S58 Supra.

[Quadruple VANOS]

Originally Posted by heavyD^2

I would think the manual version should cost a little less than the automatic versions.

Toyota should adjust their price (raising it) to meet market demand instead of letting the dealers mark it up.

[Equilibrandt]

I hope the manuals are semi-easy to come by.

Though I don't want one, I'd love to see a little price drop on the 21/22s as everyone puts their automatics up for sale to trade into a manual. Perfect time for me to get an auto.

[Humdizzle]

s58 supra is a big if. for one i'm not sure if BMW is keen on lending out an M motor to toyota when they don't even offer an Z4M. maybe they can work out a deal though.

the biggest hurdle would be cooling. The S58 needs alot of it and its a big reason why the G80 has those huge nostrils and nobody can make an aftermarket solution.

B58+manual is fine with me. few bolt ons that motor is making more than enough power. I just hope toyota can retune the shift/clutch feel because modern BMWs are pretty terrible if you've driven a type R or porsche GT3.

[pikkagtr]

Originally Posted by Humdizzle

s58 supra is a big if. for one i'm not sure if BMW is keen on lending out an M motor to toyota when they don't even offer an Z4M. maybe they can work out a deal though.

the biggest hurdle would be cooling. The S58 needs alot of it and its a big reason why the G80 has those huge nostrils and nobody can make an aftermarket solution.

B58+manual is fine with me. few bolt ons that motor is making more than enough power. I just hope toyota can retune the shift/clutch feel because modern BMWs are pretty terrible if you've driven a type R or porsche GT3.

With the diluted M brand and even S68 going into the non X7 cars I think BMW won't have a problem with the S58 into the Zupra
M cars are no oner the bespoke special cars they used to be

[OkieSnuffBox]

Originally Posted by Humdizzle

s58 supra is a big if. for one i'm not sure if BMW is keen on lending out an M motor to toyota when they don't even offer an Z4M. maybe they can work out a deal though.

the biggest hurdle would be cooling. The S58 needs alot of it and its a big reason why the G80 has those huge nostrils and nobody can make an aftermarket solution.

B58+manual is fine with me. few bolt ons that motor is making more than enough power. I just hope toyota can retune the shift/clutch feel because modern BMWs are pretty terrible if you've driven a type R or porsche GT3.

Aren't the Supra/Z4s a downpipe and tune away from 450whp?

A ton of HP gets old on the street quick unless you're one of the guys that's afraid to go to the track and just does highway pulls.

[kyriian]

Originally Posted by OkieSnuffBox

A ton of HP gets old on the street quick unless you're one of the guys that's afraid to go to the track and just does highway pulls.

As much as I agree with you wholeheartedly, the sheer amount of guys who do highway pulls only for views on youtube/gram/tiktok is astonishing, guess highway pulls get more clicks than a properly strung together lap

[OkieSnuffBox]

Originally Posted by kyriian

As much as I agree with you wholeheartedly, the sheer amount of guys who do highway pulls only for views on youtube/gram/tiktok is astonishing, guess highway pulls get more clicks than a properly strung together lap

Mashing the go pedal on the highway doesn't require any skill. Threshold braking, trail braking, hitting an apex, that all does. That's why many guys are afraid to go to the track.

Guys who have never been to the track who think they are "fast" on backroads, get embarrassed when they go to the track. I know, I was one of them.

[lemetier]

Originally Posted by Humdizzle

s58 supra is a big if. for one i'm not sure if BMW is keen on lending out an M motor to toyota when they don't even offer an Z4M. maybe they can work out a deal though.

the biggest hurdle would be cooling. The S58 needs alot of it and its a big reason why the G80 has those huge nostrils and nobody can make an aftermarket solution.

Alpina has been using the S58 for several years in the B3 and cooling is a non-issue.

[supra93]

https://www.ft86club.com/forums/showthread.php?t=149355

2023 GR Supra



4/4 - A manual transmission is confirmed for 2023, for North America the model for for 6MT is DB0D0M. The 6MT WILL BE AVAILABLE AS THE A91 EDITION or a standard 3.0 premium.

Available Colours;

0D01 - Absolute Zero
0D04 - Nocturnal
0D14 - Sparkling Copper Gray
0D05 Renaussance Red 2.0
0D13 - Portimao Blue
0D06 - Nitro Yellow
0D12 - Matte White A91 ONLY

2.0 only available in 0D01, 0D04, 0D05

A91 Edition Available in 0D12 or 0D14. It appears the A91 will be ONLY 6MT

The package "suffix" for the A91 Edition reads, "A91-MT Edition / Leather, Cognac Tan". So we can assume the interior will be Tan or have Tan accents.

4/18 - the model and package codes were removed from the portal. I guess we were not supposed to see...

[Germanauto]

Loll on my my friends is some weird Toyota purist and like an internet fanboy stereotype, talks so much shyt on this car because "it's a BMW not a Supra!"

People like this are only cheating themselves. A RWD premium sports car with BMW's excellent B58/ZF powertrain and chassis, unique styling, and sportier steering tuning by Toyota all for $55k?

This car is arguably the best bargain premium sports car on the market. Meanwhile people out here driving lame CUVs and trucks for this price.

[Karmic Man]

Yes, those fools have no idea that the B58 version used in the Supra (not the earlier B58) had strong involvement from Toyota

I would like to see the S58 in the MT GR Supra. While the GRMN version will most likely get the S58, it is really a collectors' car, being too few in numbers and too expensive for most Supra buyers.

[dangerus_car]

what's the difference between the B58 engine in the *40i series and this supra? thanks

[Karmic Man]

Originally Posted by dangerus_car

what's the difference between the B58 engine in the *40i series and this supra? thanks

Same...they both use the B58B30O1 since 2021

The 2020 Supra used the B58B30C

There was two earlier versions (B58B30M0 & B58B30M1) that are again different. After that, Toyota had input on the engine design that lead to the B58B30C and then the current B58B30O1