Supercharger stuff (MILVs+AA+BPC)

Noir · 11-23-2018, 09:39 PM

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Originally Posted by Mike.

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Originally Posted by WeekendWarriorz

Bumping this thread, if any of you supercharger guys want to get an actual tune that makes good power hit up Rktunes

jordan bought me an uber so i can go on a tinder date while he tuned my car...ive had 2 tunes from him for my 335..good guy!

dam..
how much power did she put down?
and the car?

WeekendWarriorz · 11-23-2018, 09:49 PM

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Originally Posted by Mike.

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Originally Posted by WeekendWarriorz

Bumping this thread, if any of you supercharger guys want to get an actual tune that makes good power hit up Rktunes

jordan bought me an uber so i can go on a tinder date while he tuned my car...ive had 2 tunes from him for my 335..good guy!

Jordan is the fucking man, look at the supercharged e36s, e46 m3, and turbo bmw builds he's made. Lots more experience. And he's tuning N55/S55 with valvetronic.

Mike. · 11-24-2018, 07:48 AM

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Originally Posted by Noir

dam..
how much power did she put down?
and the car?

349/406 xdrive PWG, F30 2013 335xi..i want to get it dyno tuned when I get the xHP flash for the trans.

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Originally Posted by WeekendWarriorz

Jordan is the fucking man, look at the supercharged e36s, e46 m3, and turbo bmw builds he's made. Lots more experience. And he's tuning N55/S55 with valvetronic.

yea i saw it in person(his single turbo F80 m3)..he just got a porsche!

Noir · 11-24-2018, 08:48 AM

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Originally Posted by WeekendWarriorz

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Originally Posted by Mike.

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Originally Posted by WeekendWarriorz

Bumping this thread, if any of you supercharger guys want to get an actual tune that makes good power hit up Rktunes

jordan bought me an uber so i can go on a tinder date while he tuned my car...ive had 2 tunes from him for my 335..good guy!

Jordan is the fucking man, look at the supercharged e36s, e46 m3, and turbo bmw builds he's made. Lots more experience. And he's tuning N55/S55 with valvetronic.

I'm more so curious in his expertise within the n52... glad he knows valvetronic stuff, but bpc has been working on this platform alot and that's why I follow them for this purpose... idk if your guy has a workaround for the headers + blower... and if he doesn't, the amount of money I'd have to compensate him for his time to (for lack a better term) "R&D" won't be pocket change, I reckon.

Mike. · 11-24-2018, 09:17 AM

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Originally Posted by Noir

I'm more so curious in his expertise within the n52... glad he knows valvetronic stuff, but bpc has been working on this platform alot and that's why I follow them for this purpose... idk if your guy has a workaround for the headers + blower... and if he doesn't, the amount of money I'd have to compensate him for his time to (for lack a better term) "R&D" won't be pocket change, I reckon.

you should reach out...that boy can do it all

Torgus · 11-24-2018, 09:39 PM

Excuse my ignorance, headers + blower work around?

Noir · 11-24-2018, 09:41 PM

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Originally Posted by Torgus

Excuse my ignorance, headers + blower work around?

Nah man, you're good!
Just tuning the car to take both simultaneously...
unlike ESS' tune requiring primaries in place

If anything, in hindsight, I'm a lil' ignorant for thinking someone else can't make that happen.

Taskmaster · 11-24-2018, 11:24 PM

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Originally Posted by Noir

Nah man, you're good!
Just tuning the car to take both simultaneously...
unlike ESS' tune requiring primaries in place

If anything, in hindsight, I'm a lil' ignorant for thinking someone else can't make that happen.

The workaround is pretty obvious, but tuning without a dyno remotely will be different.

Noir · 11-24-2018, 11:33 PM

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Originally Posted by Taskmaster

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Originally Posted by Noir

Nah man, you're good!
Just tuning the car to take both simultaneously...
unlike ESS' tune requiring primaries in place

If anything, in hindsight, I'm a lil' ignorant for thinking someone else can't make that happen.

The workaround is pretty obvious, but tuning without a dyno remotely will be different.

Yeah.. they're twice the distance from me vs bpc

hassmaschine · 11-25-2018, 09:32 AM

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Originally Posted by Torgus

Excuse my ignorance, headers + blower work around?

It definitely can be done. Don't even need a Dyno.

Taskmaster · 11-25-2018, 12:07 PM

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Originally Posted by hassmaschine

It definitely can be done. Don't even need a Dyno.

You don’t need a dyno to tune either, but Without logging,, how RK plans to tune this car.

hassmaschine · 11-25-2018, 12:25 PM

Don't need one because I don't need logging. I already know how to fix headers with the MAF delete.

Taskmaster · 11-25-2018, 01:16 PM

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Originally Posted by hassmaschine

Don't need one because I don't need logging. I already know how to fix headers with the MAF delete.

Oh I know you do, I'm talking about RK actually remotely tuning a supercharged car.

hassmaschine · 11-25-2018, 01:17 PM

Ah, yeah.

Bob@BPC · 11-26-2018, 02:16 PM

Im just going to leave this right here...

2011 Z4 Auto
-3 stage
-93
-ESS SC Upgrade Kit
-BPC Tune
-Stock Exhaust

VS

2011 Z4 Auto
-3 stage
-93
-BPC Tune
-Stock Exhaust
-Smaller Pulley
-Snow Performance Meth Nozzle #3 & 50/50mix

hassmaschine · 11-26-2018, 04:03 PM

that's awesome. 285whp/236wtq hardly seems worth it for the cost of the kit, but your changes have basically doubled the baseline gains. I wonder how much of that is due to the addition of meth?

Torgus · 11-26-2018, 04:08 PM

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Originally Posted by hassmaschine

that's awesome. 285whp/236wtq hardly seems worth it for the cost of the kit, but your changes have basically doubled the baseline gains. I wonder how much of that is due to the addition of meth?

I would think a good deal as meth acts as a higher octane fuel and the lowering of the AIT charge is increased with the 50% water together with the octane must really help predetonation.

Those are actually good numbers given the cost of the ESS kit. I agree with your statement the kit alone on the stock pully and tune the results are lackluster to say the least. That increase in torque should be really noticeable.

So, back to the headers no one runs FI + headers on the N52? Seems like an easy place to pick up HP. Like on the above dyno make that a manual tranny with headers and 350whp should be easy to attain.

I bet you could start knocking on 400whp's door with full E85 + headers + an even smaller pulley and reving out to 7.5k rpms.

hassmaschine · 11-26-2018, 04:21 PM

it's because ESS runs a MAF delete tune on their kits, and they couldn't make the MAF delete work with headers. It has to do with the wideband feedback loop and the changed position of the sensors relative to the exhaust ports.

Torgus · 11-26-2018, 04:26 PM

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Originally Posted by hassmaschine

it's because ESS runs a MAF delete tune on their kits, and they couldn't make the MAF delete work with headers. It has to do with the wideband feedback loop and the changed position of the sensors relative to the exhaust ports.

So go with a MAF and a BPC tune and be allowed to have headers? Or can people not get FI + a MAF to work on this platform?

I find it hard to believe no shop has a work around for this or could create one if they cared/tried. Because basically you are upgrading the intake signifigantly with the SC and still having a restrictive stock exhaust. Not the best way to make your air pump(engine) breath.

hassmaschine · 11-26-2018, 04:42 PM

ESS couldn't but I'm sure others could. But you don't really need it anyway. MAF delete with headers is not really a problem.

Torgus · 11-26-2018, 07:00 PM

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Originally Posted by hassmaschine

ESS couldn't but I'm sure others could. But you don't really need it anyway. MAF delete with headers is not really a problem.

Is there a problem using the MAF with forced induction? Do you blow the maf out or something? The car needs to breath at both ends.

hassmaschine · 11-26-2018, 11:00 PM

no I don't think so. I think they couldn't figure out how to tweak the load model properly so it would run right. At least, from what I've seen of their gong show tune on the M54 (with MS45.1), maybe they just didn't want to deal with it. That DME would go to 100% throttle suddenly at about 60% load. It took weeks to sort that out..

In any case, you don't need the MAF - it's not worth worrying about it. BPC can take care of it I'm sure.

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