another DEF tank sensor failure

GottaBeKD · 10-29-2015, 02:48 PM

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Originally Posted by kbsilver

Guess I'll just be FDH (fat - dumb - happy). The dealer is now telling me using 1 gallon of DEF in 23K miles is normal, there is nothing wrong. This means the tank of DEF will last the life of the car. Interesting concept.

They must have hired the VW developers.

Big_Daddy_38 · 10-30-2015, 05:13 PM

I got my car back today. YAY. New SCR container and mixer. The details are:
16-19-7-204-623 SCR Container:169999

SA said it is a new, redesigned part.

taibanl · 10-30-2015, 06:37 PM

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Originally Posted by Big_Daddy_38

I got my car back today. YAY. New SCR container and mixer. The details are:
16-19-7-204-623 SCR Container:169999

SA said it is a new, redesigned part.

Hi don't get it, I just googled that part number and every link I dug up said that has been the production part since 2008 and one of our sister forum members had that exact part replaced as far back as 2011

As far as I know BMW is not in the habit of making the critical mistake of changing parts without changing the part numbers

The only plausible explanation is that it is considered an assembly and one of the subassembly part numbers has been changed without changing the assembly part number

I would really like to see the service bulletin for this issue it would clear everything up

copster3811 · 10-31-2015, 09:19 PM

I took my 335d into the dealer back in Sept 2015 because of the SES light. My car had 69400 miles on it. A day later they told me they had to replace the SCR tank and told me the part was on BO because it was being redesigned. But when questioned about exactly what what part of it was being changed, they did not know.

I went back today for some brake fluid and a fuel filter and asked the parts counter guy if he knew anything about the redesign. He said he did not, and suggested that it could be something as simple as a change of manufacture, (which is not a redesign). Either way, his guess was the PN would remain the same.

I posted a question on the forum if anyone knew about the difference in the old and the new tank but no one seemed to know. Many thought that I didnt get the new redesigned tank, because I only had to wait a week for the part to come in, when in fact, many of them had been waiting months and still had not received a new tank.

In looking at my paperwork from Sept 2015, the SCR container on my invoice is listed as 169999 which is the same old part number.

So I still dont know if its an old one or a redesigned one. I tried to look for a date code on it when I installed the trailer hitch on my car, but it was too buried in the exhaust and the heat shields to get a good look at it. I say the tank looked new, because everything else around it was covered with dust. But that just means they replaced it, with which one I will never know.

Quasimodem · 10-31-2015, 11:03 PM

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Originally Posted by Big_Daddy_38

I got my car back today. YAY. New SCR container and mixer. The details are:
16-19-7-204-623 SCR Container:169999

SA said it is a new, redesigned part.

That's funny, RealOEM has that part under "Fuel Supply>Fuel Tank". It has nothing to do with the fuel. I would never be able to find that part without the part number on Tischer.

I wonder what was changed in that part, it is just a container.

p27rpy · 11-06-2015, 03:29 PM

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Originally Posted by p27rpy

Still no tank...calling back on another week to get an update.

Checked in today for an update after being told it would arrive in late October - and just got back an email simply stating "Still backordered". Pretty annoying to have an SES on for months at a time.

Barmlot · 11-06-2015, 08:06 PM

BIG NEWS!!! My SA called me today saying they got the part in. I am scheduled to have it put on monday/tuesday as I was travelling. Will post update then. Plan on asking what the difference in the "new" part is.

Barmlot · 11-10-2015, 06:09 AM

Alright, car is finally at dealer. Checked on original order date, was 6/8. Part came in 11/6. 5 MONTHS LATER. My SA told me that this is a new, "redesigned" part and went on to clarify that it is roughly the same part but built by a different manufacturer. So I think "redisgned within pre-existing parameters" is fair. He explained that after BMW switched manufacturers they had to do additional testing and then the government had to inspect the part as well which is why there was such a long delay. My hope is that this tank will solve the problems that many of us are having.

taibanl · 11-13-2015, 05:05 PM

Finally had mine replaced today after being on order since May (it took me 3 to 4 weeks to get an appointment for the install)

Got_Diesel · 11-19-2015, 12:00 PM

After 5 years and 72k miles, I will be getting a new SCR tank too!

Barmlot · 11-19-2015, 02:43 PM

Well, my SES light managed to stay off for 6 days...didn't even make it a week. Apparently the "NOX sensor" was not reporting in to slowly or somesuch. Hopefully finally done this time.

Col Mustard · 11-27-2015, 10:16 AM

After 5 months of waiting, I finally got notification that my replacement DEF tank has arrived. It will be another 2-3 weeks until they have a loaner car available for me.

BUT, in the meantime, the car is now alerting me about DEF fluid levels. I have about 750 miles remaining until the "No Start" clicks down to zero. The good news is my SES light is off!

Since my commute is about 50 miles/day, I have roughly 3 weeks of driving remaining.

Looks like I'm going to double buy DEF this round.

I should have bought a VW. I hear they barely use DEF at all!

dixy2k · 11-27-2015, 10:28 AM

Yup, not much.
I think the only 2.0 tdi with def is the 2012+ model. The 3.0 V6 had it on earlier.

mattm · 11-27-2015, 11:12 AM

My SES light went off in August (88k miles). Bridgeport BMW SA ordered the SCR and cut a deal against me using the aftermarket tank. I started seeing people finally getting them this month. Around 11/13 I got the low DEF fluid 1,000 mile warning. I tossed in fluid to the small tank (blue ring on the fill port), which did not clear the message even using the Ivini/Carly app and dongle. I called and they confirmed the part was there and they'd get me in quickly (11/17). The SA cc'ed me with the rental car coordinator so I would have a car on the 17th. They put me in a 2016 535i (base, no sat radio, a mere $56k sticker!!). I received the call that Monday 11/23 to pick up my car.

I truly hope someone pushes for a class action as I'd like to get reimbursed the nearly $1,600 I paid for the repair. FYI there was a 25% goodwill by the factory/BMW rep. or this would have been $2k.

Got_Diesel · 11-29-2015, 08:29 AM

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Originally Posted by mattm

My SES light went off in August (88k miles). Bridgeport BMW SA ordered the SCR and cut a deal against me using the aftermarket tank. I started seeing people finally getting them this month. Around 11/13 I got the low DEF fluid 1,000 mile warning. I tossed in fluid to the small tank (blue ring on the fill port), which did not clear the message even using the Ivini/Carly app and dongle. I called and they confirmed the part was there and they'd get me in quickly (11/17). The SA cc'ed me with the rental car coordinator so I would have a car on the 17th. They put me in a 2016 535i (base, no sat radio, a mere $56k sticker!!). I received the call that Monday 11/23 to pick up my car.

I truly hope someone pushes for a class action as I'd like to get reimbursed the nearly $1,600 I paid for the repair. FYI there was a 25% goodwill by the factory/BMW rep. or this would have been $2k.

Just had mine replaced. I have extended warranty but they didn't even charge me the deductible. $2,500 in parts and labor to have it done.

davethetenor · 11-30-2015, 04:00 PM

I had my DEF tank replaced on Saturday under warranty (even though I'm at 54k miles); it had already been replaced once. The tank was on order for about 4 months. For my trouble they replaced my broken cupholder for free. Yay.

Here's to no more problems with this ridiculously expensive part...

taibanl · 11-30-2015, 05:39 PM

If someone wants to log onto bmwtis.com and pay for 24hr access, (I've done this 2-3 times before for benefit of forum) perhaps we could pull the TSB and see whats really going on.

floydarogers · 11-30-2015, 07:26 PM

Sigh. My SES went on yesterday. Almost certainly it's a "SCR Efficiency" fault due to circumstances of JUST DRIVING HOME at end of 75 mile drive.

Going to take my BT and laptop down and read codes. Wish me luck.

mattm · 12-01-2015, 05:45 AM

And exactly one week later, after the SCR replacement, the SES light came back on yesterday. Going back to the dealership this morning.

Barmlot · 12-01-2015, 10:34 AM

Interesting Matt, I had about the same thing happen. My money is on your "NOX Sensor". Let us know

mattm · 12-01-2015, 12:02 PM

The code courtesy of Carly (and confirmed by my SA this morning):
Motor Control:
Engine / Motor
DeNOx system efficiency efficiency at low
Code: 4D16

I've booked the car for next week as I won't be needing it for a few days.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Barmlot

Interesting Matt, I had about the same thing happen. My money is on your "NOX Sensor". Let us know

The way you wrote "NOX Sensor" that feels like customer pay.

335ddd · 12-01-2015, 12:33 PM

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Originally Posted by mattm

The code courtesy of Carly (and confirmed by my SA this morning):
Motor Control:
Engine / Motor
DeNOx system efficiency efficiency at low
Code: 4D16

I've booked the car for next week as I won't be needing it for a few days.
The way you wrote "NOX Sensor" that feels like customer pay.

had the same error code multiple times. they replaced my nox sensors multiple times. cleaned SCR injector as well. issue still came back.
I am not a mechanic but my common sense tells me that sensor is doing its job at reporting that something is wrong. why keep replacing the sensor. Its clearly there to report issues about other components. no way all these 335ds rolled out with bad batches of sensors.

anyways now i am getting a new catalytic (which is on back order).

jealous of folks who have DP and straight exhaust (due to no yearly inspections) because otherwise this engine is working flawless.

10-30-2015, 05:13 PM	#90
Big_Daddy_38 Private 5 Rep 67 Posts Drives: 2011 335d Join Date: Feb 2014 Location: Southwest Ohio iTrader: (0) Garage List 2011 BMW 335d [0.00]	I got my car back today. YAY. New SCR container and mixer. The details are: 16-19-7-204-623 SCR Container:169999 SA said it is a new, redesigned part.
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10-31-2015, 09:19 PM	#92
copster3811 New Member 3 Rep 10 Posts Drives: 2011 335d Join Date: Jul 2015 Location: Nor Calif iTrader: (0)	I took my 335d into the dealer back in Sept 2015 because of the SES light. My car had 69400 miles on it. A day later they told me they had to replace the SCR tank and told me the part was on BO because it was being redesigned. But when questioned about exactly what what part of it was being changed, they did not know. I went back today for some brake fluid and a fuel filter and asked the parts counter guy if he knew anything about the redesign. He said he did not, and suggested that it could be something as simple as a change of manufacture, (which is not a redesign). Either way, his guess was the PN would remain the same. I posted a question on the forum if anyone knew about the difference in the old and the new tank but no one seemed to know. Many thought that I didnt get the new redesigned tank, because I only had to wait a week for the part to come in, when in fact, many of them had been waiting months and still had not received a new tank. In looking at my paperwork from Sept 2015, the SCR container on my invoice is listed as 169999 which is the same old part number. So I still dont know if its an old one or a redesigned one. I tried to look for a date code on it when I installed the trailer hitch on my car, but it was too buried in the exhaust and the heat shields to get a good look at it. I say the tank looked new, because everything else around it was covered with dust. But that just means they replaced it, with which one I will never know.
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11-06-2015, 08:06 PM	#95
Barmlot Private First Class 13 Rep 128 Posts Drives: 2011 335d Join Date: May 2015 Location: Valley of the Sun iTrader: (0)	BIG NEWS!!! My SA called me today saying they got the part in. I am scheduled to have it put on monday/tuesday as I was travelling. Will post update then. Plan on asking what the difference in the "new" part is.
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11-10-2015, 06:09 AM	#96
Barmlot Private First Class 13 Rep 128 Posts Drives: 2011 335d Join Date: May 2015 Location: Valley of the Sun iTrader: (0)	Alright, car is finally at dealer. Checked on original order date, was 6/8. Part came in 11/6. 5 MONTHS LATER. My SA told me that this is a new, "redesigned" part and went on to clarify that it is roughly the same part but built by a different manufacturer. So I think "redisgned within pre-existing parameters" is fair. He explained that after BMW switched manufacturers they had to do additional testing and then the government had to inspect the part as well which is why there was such a long delay. My hope is that this tank will solve the problems that many of us are having.
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11-13-2015, 05:05 PM	#97
taibanl Brigadier General 281 Rep 4,121 Posts Drives: BMW Join Date: Sep 2010 Location: NA iTrader: (4)	Finally had mine replaced today after being on order since May (it took me 3 to 4 weeks to get an appointment for the install)
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11-19-2015, 12:00 PM	#98
Got_Diesel Second Lieutenant 20 Rep 298 Posts Drives: 335d Join Date: Dec 2012 Location: United States iTrader: (0)	After 5 years and 72k miles, I will be getting a new SCR tank too! __________________
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11-19-2015, 02:43 PM	#99
Barmlot Private First Class 13 Rep 128 Posts Drives: 2011 335d Join Date: May 2015 Location: Valley of the Sun iTrader: (0)	Well, my SES light managed to stay off for 6 days...didn't even make it a week. Apparently the "NOX sensor" was not reporting in to slowly or somesuch. Hopefully finally done this time.
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11-27-2015, 10:16 AM	#100
Col Mustard Pushing Rope in the Cellar 8 Rep 83 Posts Drives: Former - 335d Montego Join Date: Mar 2012 Location: Sacramento Suburbia, CA iTrader: (0) Garage List 2010 335D [9.00]	After 5 months of waiting, I finally got notification that my replacement DEF tank has arrived. It will be another 2-3 weeks until they have a loaner car available for me. BUT, in the meantime, the car is now alerting me about DEF fluid levels. I have about 750 miles remaining until the "No Start" clicks down to zero. The good news is my SES light is off! Since my commute is about 50 miles/day, I have roughly 3 weeks of driving remaining. Looks like I'm going to double buy DEF this round. I should have bought a VW. I hear they barely use DEF at all!
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11-27-2015, 10:28 AM	#101
dixy2k Major 88 Rep 1,152 Posts Drives: 335d Join Date: Nov 2009 Location: CA iTrader: (0)	Yup, not much. I think the only 2.0 tdi with def is the 2012+ model. The 3.0 V6 had it on earlier.
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11-27-2015, 11:12 AM	#102
mattm Captain 59 Rep 630 Posts Drives: Join Date: Aug 2008 iTrader: (0)	My SES light went off in August (88k miles). Bridgeport BMW SA ordered the SCR and cut a deal against me using the aftermarket tank. I started seeing people finally getting them this month. Around 11/13 I got the low DEF fluid 1,000 mile warning. I tossed in fluid to the small tank (blue ring on the fill port), which did not clear the message even using the Ivini/Carly app and dongle. I called and they confirmed the part was there and they'd get me in quickly (11/17). The SA cc'ed me with the rental car coordinator so I would have a car on the 17th. They put me in a 2016 535i (base, no sat radio, a mere $56k sticker!!). I received the call that Monday 11/23 to pick up my car. I truly hope someone pushes for a class action as I'd like to get reimbursed the nearly $1,600 I paid for the repair. FYI there was a 25% goodwill by the factory/BMW rep. or this would have been $2k. __________________ Matt Murray I am perfectly capable of learning from my mistakes. I will surely learn a great deal today.
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11-30-2015, 04:00 PM	#104
davethetenor Oil Burner 11 Rep 28 Posts Drives: 2011 BMW 335d Join Date: Jul 2014 Location: Tempe, AZ, USA iTrader: (0)	I had my DEF tank replaced on Saturday under warranty (even though I'm at 54k miles); it had already been replaced once. The tank was on order for about 4 months. For my trouble they replaced my broken cupholder for free. Yay. Here's to no more problems with this ridiculously expensive part... __________________ 2011 BMW 335d M sport
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11-30-2015, 05:39 PM	#105
taibanl Brigadier General 281 Rep 4,121 Posts Drives: BMW Join Date: Sep 2010 Location: NA iTrader: (4)	If someone wants to log onto bmwtis.com and pay for 24hr access, (I've done this 2-3 times before for benefit of forum) perhaps we could pull the TSB and see whats really going on.
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11-30-2015, 07:26 PM	#106
floydarogers Curmudgeon and Pedant 690 Rep 3,489 Posts Drives: 2010 335d, 2014 328d Join Date: Nov 2012 Location: Bellevue, WA iTrader: (0)	Sigh. My SES went on yesterday. Almost certainly it's a "SCR Efficiency" fault due to circumstances of JUST DRIVING HOME at end of 75 mile drive. Going to take my BT and laptop down and read codes. Wish me luck.
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12-01-2015, 05:45 AM	#107
mattm Captain 59 Rep 630 Posts Drives: Join Date: Aug 2008 iTrader: (0)	And exactly one week later, after the SCR replacement, the SES light came back on yesterday. Going back to the dealership this morning. __________________ Matt Murray I am perfectly capable of learning from my mistakes. I will surely learn a great deal today.
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12-01-2015, 10:34 AM	#108
Barmlot Private First Class 13 Rep 128 Posts Drives: 2011 335d Join Date: May 2015 Location: Valley of the Sun iTrader: (0)	Interesting Matt, I had about the same thing happen. My money is on your "NOX Sensor". Let us know
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