[beepbeep]

Originally Posted by Magna3

Bravo Mr.5

Thanks for the fantastic contribution to the board.

How much you out? Send me your paypal address, I'll send you enough for a case of beer for your troubles:rocks:

Mr. 5, Thanks for the great post; I'll spring for a bag of pretzels to go with Magna 3's beer.

[Lee Rambler]

or we could all chip in to offset the cost of the dynos or tuning devices...

[trey100]

Originally Posted by Insider

Yes, I would like to know this as well.

The original post says ?? stage 2, so I suspect it is stage 2.

I am also curious about why the Procede isn't showing the trap speed results that coincide with such huge power gains. I've seen impressive ET's but they are all with DR, not the stock RFTs. Either way, trap speed is not really affected by your launch, good or bad, so I'm still confused. I would have guessed 110 mph or so with 333 to the wheels (the equivalent of just under 400 HP crank). From the dynos the car is definitely putting down nice gains, but the trap speeds aren't improving too much (as far as I know).

I have not driven a Procede car, but for the people that have it, is it a bit too much on the stock tires and suspension? I like the idea of adding the 25-30 RWHP that the cheaper alternatives offer, especially if they are operating at lower levels of boost that might be safer. 305-301 RWHP is about 360 crank HP, which is still pretty impressive and might be more appropriate for a stock setup.

[Mr. 5]

Originally Posted by Jeff@Eurobahn.us

i wonder why you got the lowest number we have seen. Did i miss it in your post, but did you do a baseline and then plug in the TT right after the baseline? Wonder if we have a bad unit or something. I have never only seen 25whp on a 335 with the TT. Just curios which Dyno in socal did you run your tests at? We may have done others there it would great to compare

Jeff
Eurobahn

The TT always felt fine to me. I just didn't see the best gains coming from that. With every test, I did 3 runs and switched tuners. I then took the car off the dyno and ran it "spirited" around town for aprox 20 minutes and then hooked it up again. I really don't think that the ecu needs any longer to adapt even though others say so.
Every time I've changed a tuner, I've never felt it stronger the next day.

Also, I did these runs at MD Automotive in Westminster.
Mark finally taught me how to do the runs myself, so now when I go in there he'll just let me loose.

[Mr. 5]

Originally Posted by vase330

I am wondering what Jerkiness you felt in Procede? Do you mean the power delivery surges? I thought Procede was as smooth and linear as stock if not smoother. A lot of people who have it here say it is very smooth, so don't know what you are really referring to. I am waiting on V2, but I love the stock NA feel.

I feel the jerkiness in the lower rpms. Maybe it's the air conditioning messing with the power, but to me the throttle response seems a little jerky.

[musc]

Originally Posted by Jeff@Eurobahn.us

i wonder why you got the lowest number we have seen. Did i miss it in your post, but did you do a baseline and then plug in the TT right after the baseline? Wonder if we have a bad unit or something. I have never only seen 25whp on a 335 with the TT. Just curios which Dyno in socal did you run your tests at? We may have done others there it would great to compare

Jeff
Eurobahn

Are you serious? I have seen numerous TT dynos in the 20s rwhp range. More of the norm rather than the exception. Quick search showed two dynos...23.39rwhp and 28.6rwhp. Along with Mr. 5s, thats three.

[jon@themshop]

Then again here's another Turbo Tuner dyno

[musc]

Originally Posted by jon@themshop

Then again here's another Turbo Tuner dyno

Then again here are the results of another 20 rwhp gain.

http://www.e90post.com/forums/showth...rbo+tuner+dyno

[5soko]

i have seen turbo tuners run more HP and TQ... but like everything it varys i guess... and maybe it does need to adapt, no body knows for sure....

if it has a boost graph we can see if the Turbo tuner is holding back power.. as on another dyno i see the turbo tuner pulled back to 2psi or so, on a run and made less power because of its heat protection system.

also maybe 93 octane runs better and more powerful? if these dyuno were on 91 octane.

anyways this is what MR.5 got and thats it... were speaking of this dyno right now...


anyway we can match the turbo tuner A/F with the stage 2 and procede with the charts givin above????

i think this should be important as we know what makes power but what makes it well and safe.

i have tested a turbo tuned car...

ran very well with alot of stock smoothness. the power was strong and smooth... imo was easier to launch becuase of the amount of TQ.. drivability was great, def stock like with no lag at all... temperature stood the same maybe a tad cooler during some hard runs aswell.. installation of this was really a snap... only hard part was to unplug temap u need small hands, plug the SSTT inbetween and you got it done.

never tryed stage2 Grape juice..


procede, power in first gear was almost useless as there was SOO much tq to get a great launch but learning i launch better.. car ran very well, maybe a hint of lag and some surges of power... temp stood stock like and on some runs def cooler. u can feel the TQ in higher gears in the procede aswell. intallation was a bit confusing in the beggining but video helped with support.

[DrGP]

Thanks Mr 5 for the unbiased attempt quantify the performance increases of these products. Too bad there was no Xede, but that's the way it goes. For my $.02 it shows me that the Procede is really a great performance enhancement. Also the Turbo tuner is also a good bang for the buck especially considering the ease of installation and removal. ( great for those leasing). IMHO, the ?? stage 2 is not worth the money even at 1/3 of the price of the Turbo Tuner because of the need to open up the ECU and the more involved installation and lack of a reputable designer.

[5soko]

this ?? stage 2 i did a search and he has some bootleg website and it seems no one is a vendor of this product...wtf?

is this guy selling and making them from his basement?? i would not feel comfortable to put that thing on my car...

i see the product, he put it next to a key fob in his website... its smaller and has three wire sticking out, really look cheap and unsafe... you have to open the ecu box and open things up and connecting these wires, almost like a procede installation i think but with 3 wires....

even tho the ?? makes power, i cant see myself using or ever purchasing one, i rather make something up myself..


to me its either Split Second Turbo Tuner or Vishnu Procede


btw has this guy ever tuned anything? i havent heard his name on any bmw tunning site and his logo got a bmw symbol in it.

[Bubbles]

Great Job Mr. 5, thanks for the info!!!

[normtrum]

Originally Posted by lawdude

Yeah, he just needs to apologize to the right people and start fresh making helpful contributions.

BTW Mr. 5, great job.

"He's" gone. Booted off.

[DrGP]

Originally Posted by 5sokol335icoupe

this ?? stage 2 i did a search and he has some bootleg website and it seems no one is a vendor of this product...wtf?

is this guy selling and making them from his basement?? i would not feel comfortable to put that thing on my car...

i see the product, he put it next to a key fob in his website... its smaller and has three wire sticking out, really look cheap and unsafe... you have to open the ecu box and open things up and connecting these wires, almost like a procede installation i think but with 3 wires....

even tho the ?? makes power, i cant see myself using or ever purchasing one, i rather make something up myself..


to me its either Split Second Turbo Tuner or Vishnu Procede


btw has this guy ever tuned anything? i havent heard his name on any bmw tunning site and his logo got a bmw symbol in it.

Your concerns are all valid. Not sure in which room of the house he is fabricating them.

[Walked U]

Damn how do you guys get your info so quick?

I just read like 30 mins ago terry made a new name then got booted.

Lol must have like an e90 post email news subcription.

[stressdoc]

He-who-must-not-be-named seems to be doing OK over at Bimmerfest.

Great stuff, Mr.5
If you could run some 1/4 miles for comparison that would be awesome.

[Jeff@Eurobahn.us]

The report was definitely well done. Obviously I would have liked to see us closer to our normal numbers, but that is what you got on that day at that time, so there you go!

Lot of hard work and good info!

Jeff
Eurobahn

[Jeff@Eurobahn.us]

Originally Posted by catm3

Then again here are the results of another 20 rwhp gain.

http://www.e90post.com/forums/showth...rbo+tuner+dyno

well this dyno was shown to be an inacurate run, but it doesn't matter any way. We are talking about this specific set of runs.

Jeff

[CanadianTSi]

The AFR's look better on the Juice Box than the Procede...

[5soko]

Originally Posted by CanadianTSi

The AFR's look better on the Juice Box than the Procede...

this i what im more intrested in A/F... and the boost levels...
we all know procede makes the most power.. turbo tuner is the next best thing...

SSTT>?? 2... ?? 2 was a waste of dyno time imo ...
and im glad he got off this site.

but i def would like to see more procede and turbo tuner dynos and comparisons as they are the most popular.

maybe in the future some boost levels and A/F dynos..

[bnj]

Originally Posted by 5sokol335icoupe

this i what im more intrested in A/F... and the boost levels...
we all know procede makes the most power.. turbo tuner is the next best thing...

SSTT>?? 2... ?? 2 was a waste of dyno time imo ...
and im glad he got off this site.

but i def would like to see more procede and turbo tuner dynos and comparisons as they are the most popular.

maybe in the future some boost levels and A/F dynos..

What is the relevance for the stuff you put above regarding your quoting the post about JB's safe ARF measures? So do you agree that they look safe or do you understand the concept at all?

[Rez90]

Here's my question...........

Granted i'm used to different type's of cars.......so maybe i'm just out of my element.........

but does anyone else think those A/F's seem very lean?
On my car under wot (especailly on pump), 12.0 is considered too lean to run.......

Considering he works on evo's and bmw's..........

Shiv? care to chime in?

cause i'm looking at A/F's in the 12's, 13's, and 14's!

Someone tell me thats safe for BMW's.............