[catdog]

Originally Posted by E90ice

Info on gas is somewhere in this thread.
He's running premium gas, i believe its the equivalent to 94 here in the US.

Per, GREAT JOB!

M5Board races are not fixed, they are 50-250 km/h and very fair

It is unfortunate that the V2 Procede went into limp mode at 100%; it gives the tuned 335i a bad rep in this fast car company, as in yeah it's great if it doesn't go limp

I don't think it's the gas, it's equiv. to 93-94

I wish we had a JB2 in that showdown, i'm sure it would not have gone limp

[catdog]

Originally Posted by Jonmartin

Exactly its just a dumb answer. Period no if and or buts about it bottom line the 335 can handle just as good as any M3 mainly because its the same chassis with some minor tweaks but nothing that will ever make the M3 leaps and bounds better then a 335 also. As for people saying stuff like stock vs modded well why not just put an exhaust and chip on the M3 I guarantee it will still lose thats and fact because you can't extract alot more power from the engine easily.Also the M3 isnt exactly a track star anyway haven't you read the reviews? It's also heavier then the 335 and for the money I rather buy a Porsche.

One major difference is that wonderful M-diff, and the lighter suspension. It may be possible to approach the M in term of suspension but only if you compromise on comfort. Solved the open diff with x-drive in my case; i think a 335 with piggyback is a nice comfort speed compromise without overspending on the M-marketing, plus it's nicely understated.

[per]

Originally Posted by T Bone

PER can you please do me a favor and post a comment on whether the M5board airfield runs are fixed??

All the losers and whiners always complain about the kick ass efforts of Gustav organizing these events.....

Were the runs fair?

They are fair, if there was any hesitation we did an extra run.
That could be if anyone missed a shift, did a false start or anything else.
I did 3 or 4 restarts.
I burned 1/2 tank of fuel under app. 20 runs, the fuelconsumption was extrem.

[T Bone]

Originally Posted by catdog

One major difference is that wonderful M-diff, and the lighter suspension. It may be possible to approach the M in term of suspension but only if you compromise on comfort. Solved the open diff with x-drive in my case; i think a 335 with piggyback is a nice comfort speed compromise without overspending on the M-marketing, plus it's nicely understated.

+1

I really like the 335i because like the Evos / STI's, no one will really know what you have done to the car.

I fear once I pick up my 335xi, I am going to be challenged by every rice rocket in Toronto.

I was curious about the octane of the gas because I am surmising it is entering limp caused by excessive knock at high load / lower rpms.....

PER, did the car go into limp mode at the start of a new gear or when you were approaching redline?

[per]

It did go in to limp mode around 4000-6000rpm under full throttle,somewhere around 200-220 km/h , only then.

[catdog]

Originally Posted by T Bone

+1

I really like the 335i because like the Evos / STI's, no one will really know what you have done to the car.

I fear once I pick up my 335xi, I am going to be challenged by every rice rocket in Toronto.

I was curious about the octane of the gas because I am surmising it is entering limp caused by excessive knock at high load / lower rpms.....

PER, did the car go into limp mode at the start of a new gear or when you were approaching redline?

Tbone, you're going to love the xi coupe; unlike my xi sedan which rides higher than the i sedan, i think the xi coupe has same ride height.

Also another bonus when it's slightly wet or cold pavement is TC completely off and hard acceleration produces nice chirpin' and hunting by the xdrive as it adjusts and just bolts forward...try that with any RWD, great car for northern parts of hemisphere...

[Heartware]

Weather condition throughout the day:
light rain (10min), partly cloudy - little sunshine at the end
8-10 degrees Celsius (cold wind)
Humidity 65-75%

Track condition:
Damp to dry

Speed: 50km/h - speed limit.
Example: M5 with speed limit delete reached 280km/h
I can reach max speed before the end of the straight

All the runs are fair!
Every run is documented and witness by everyone at the event.
Any hesitation or miss shift = Restart

Fuel consumptions:
V1 = a bit more than 1/4 tank
V2-=1/2 tank

Engine temp:
V1/V2 around 123 degrees Celsius

[Jonmartin]

Originally Posted by catdog

One major difference is that wonderful M-diff, and the lighter suspension. It may be possible to approach the M in term of suspension but only if you compromise on comfort. Solved the open diff with x-drive in my case; i think a 335 with piggyback is a nice comfort speed compromise without overspending on the M-marketing, plus it's nicely understated.

True but like I said I'm refering to guys that say things like "the 335 will never handle like an M" it's the most uneducated statement there is.But it's always said! I guess it makes them feel better who knows as far as I'm concerned the 335 vs M3 they're both great cars and neither have anything over the other one.

[E90ice]

Originally Posted by T Bone

+1

I really like the 335i because like the Evos / STI's, no one will really know what you have done to the car.

I fear once I pick up my 335xi, I am going to be challenged by every rice rocket in Toronto.

I was curious about the octane of the gas because I am surmising it is entering limp caused by excessive knock at high load / lower rpms.....

PER, did the car go into limp mode at the start of a new gear or when you were approaching redline?

Shiv, said that 100% setting are mostly for RACE GAS. Thats probably why he ended up with limp mode. He was fine after he lowered the values. I intend to put mine at 95% when it arrives and see how it goes.

[catdog]

Originally Posted by Jonmartin

True but like I said I'm refering to guys that say things like "the 335 will never handle like an M" it's the most uneducated statement there is.But it's always said! I guess it makes them feel better who knows as far as I'm concerned the 335 vs M3 they're both great cars and neither have anything over the other one.

Well you are right; your car is an exception, you have serious coil overs and nice suspension so would not be surprised if you hang with or even pass m3 on track; my '04 e46m3 had a very nice suspension but it was a little soft and was a compromise for everyday use

[Heartware]

Now you can clearly see the conditions on my previous post.

[Sunny55]

I really can't wait to see the videos...I absolutley love the 335s

[Serjames]

Out of interest, what were the codes that the limp mode threw ?

SJ

[AndrewAZ]

Who cares about handling.. The 3 series coupe and sedan both handle perfectly. The M3 looks good on paper and can tout all the suspension crap it wants.. Problem is that doenst matter it all comes down to the driver. You could have a race car driver in an X5 beat an average M3 driver around a track.

The M3 isnt what it used to be, its now mostly for people with money who want the badge.. It offers no experience that the E30 or E36 offered.

[E90ice]

Originally Posted by Serjames

Out of interest, what were the codes that the limp mode threw ?

SJ

Limp mode is not a code, as far as I know. Limp mode is limp mode.

[A418t81]

Congrats to the OP, sounds like a fun time. I'm extremely jealous. Wish we had something like that over here.

[Serjames]

hmm, MY limp modes leave codes...

But then I was always taught not to compare limp modes...

fnar

SJ

[Heartware]

Here are my results:
Vishnu V1 beats:

M3 CSL –win by 5~ cl
M3 CS- win by huge ., even the cameramen lost trace.
Z4 M – Win by 5~ cl


BMW M3 V8 E92 – Even up till fifth gear-> Pulled 1 cl and stayed till finish
Modded M5 E39 430hp Had a lead by 1-2 crl. Until my speed limit.
Got caught up until the end.
Have a video which shows it …. Really sick. (need speed limit delete.)

Lost:
BMW M5 E60 Touring – lost by 5~ crl. (bad shift points)

(quote: Pea)
Vishnu V2 beat the following cars
BMW M3 V8 E92 by 5-10 cl
Porsce carrera 4 by 5~ cl
Audi RS 4 07 by 5 ~cl
SL55 amg by 5_10 ~cl

BMW M5 E60 Touring = it was equal

I lost
Bmw m6 by 5~ cl
Porsche 911 turbo by 5~ cl

I did beat the porsche up to C.a 200-220 km by 2-3 cl then he passed me
The M6 was equal up to 200-220 then he pulled away


We did several runs to confirm the results.
Basically, PEA took on the big guys, and I took care of the rest.
Great teamwork.

What we had in common is that both cars need top end power above 220km/h
Both cars need premium fuels. Right shift points are crucial!

I have some heartbreaking pictures coming up. So... for those weak hearted or hard headed. Remember this is not a competition. It is only a benchmark!

[sajakh]

Awesome,

So for the most part, V2 335i stayed with the M6, e92 and e46 csl M3, RS4, Porsche Carrera 4, sl55 up until 125-135 mph where top end Hp and drag coeffiecient is more of a factor. Competition is amazing

[sflgator]

Originally Posted by per

It did go in to limp mode around 4000-6000rpm under full throttle,somewhere around 200-220 km/h , only then.

First of all, I'd like to thank you, Heartware and ALL the guys who participated in this event!!!! Great runs and all I can say is WOW!!!!!!

Secondly, I'd like to ask why you didn't trying running Shiv's default v2 TQ Curve settings? It does use some 100%, but also steps down to 90%, 92%, 95%, and 97% at certain rpm ranges; supposedly for a flatter TQ curve (and should avoid the limp mode issue).

Third, are you running the v2.0.1 map or the original v2.0 map?

Fourth, I find it strange that you could beat the modded M5 (up to your speed limiter), but get walked by the M6??? What's your take on that?

And finally, what were the responses from the guys you beat (like in the E92 M3, the modded E60 M5, the Porsche 911 Carerra 4, the Audi RS4, MB SL55 AMG, etc.)????

Can't wait for the videos!!!

[DrDomer]

wow... you beat the new e92 M3 with a 335i with Procede v1!?!?!?! Then the other guy beat the e92 M3 with a 335i with Procede v2 by 5 cl's?!?!?! How fast were you going when you were ahead by these lengths? 250km/h (speed limiter)?

I know you said rolling runs from 50km/h to limiter.

[Serjames]

hmm, voyaristic as i may seem I'm as interested in the facial expressions of the other drivers as I am of the races

lol

SJ