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09-05-2013, 08:20 AM | #133 | |
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09-05-2013, 09:12 AM | #134 |
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Unhealthy obsession? Well if you think that prison guards touching male genitalia of inmates, which some of them held for decades with trial, whenever they leave and return to cells is fine then you're twisted. I think its the prison guards and the Government that have the unhealthy obsession, to torture inmates physically and mentally in whichever way they can. Touching up genitalia is another form of that.
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09-05-2013, 09:18 AM | #135 |
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Think you might want to re-word that sentence, unless they truly have held them for decades which is quite an impressive feat!
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09-05-2013, 09:40 AM | #136 |
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09-05-2013, 03:10 PM | #137 |
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http://www.aljazeera.com/indepth/fea...527769518.html
The above is an example that Al Jazeera is not an anti semitic news broadcaster as someone has suggested. It's a heart warming story about Jews and Muslims coming together against hate. I will keep saying this, jews and muslims in Israel/Palestine can do the same, and most want to. They are just being divided by the aggressive Israeli military campaign on settlements. This campaign affects people in neighbouring countries, such as Syria. Last edited by mob17; 09-05-2013 at 04:51 PM.. |
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09-05-2013, 03:51 PM | #138 | |
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09-05-2013, 03:59 PM | #139 | |
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"Trust but verity" is pretty much the axiom by which one must live these days, regardless of the source. Occasionally, a fact is reported that speaks for itself and there is neither more nor less to it. Quite often, that is not the case.
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09-05-2013, 05:00 PM | #140 | |
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I'll quote you in an email to Bill O'reilly and get back to you with his response.
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09-05-2013, 06:22 PM | #141 | |
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In truth, I have no problem with either one of them. I only have a problem with viewers who listen to/watch either of them and lack the savvy to realize that they are hearing mostly editorial commentary disguised as news. All news outlets, including Fox and MSNBC, and Bill and Rachael in particular, have no choice but to minimally cast bias into their reporting by culling the extent of information they choose to report on any given topic. Fox and MSNBC, along with Al Jazeera, tend to "cull" the facts so that what they report takes on a certain cast. Unbiased editorial presentations of divergent points of view call for presenting the meritorious aspects of both sides of an argument. None of those organizations do that. Not all organizations can do that. CNN, Reuters, and the PBS Newshour do at least try to do so, albeit with varying degrees of success. Mostly, however, the burden is on us, the general public, to objectively explore issues on our own. Unfortunately, many common citizens lack the skills and/or motivation to do so, instead preferring to find some "credible" organization that's saying what it is they want to hear. All the best.
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09-06-2013, 07:15 AM | #142 |
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So would you say Wikileaks is credible?
Tony i just realised you're from Washington, DC! I don't suppose you, your family or friends work within the Government? |
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09-06-2013, 10:37 AM | #143 |
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Looks like the US have more than the French in support of an invasion..
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/arti...ohn-Kerry.html |
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09-06-2013, 10:53 AM | #144 | |
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"John Kerry reveals Arab countries have offered to PAY America to carry out full-scale invasion of Syria." Wow, I wonder if I can pay the US to come and sort out my neighbour, he's being a bit of a pain at the moment |
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09-06-2013, 11:37 AM | #145 |
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Sounds a bit like Gun's for hire now. Is there a price list?
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09-06-2013, 07:07 PM | #146 |
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I don't know, but if they want to pay the US for something it would do even if they didn't pay, I'm fine with them paying.
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09-06-2013, 07:24 PM | #147 | |
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As for Wikileaks' credibility, it's hard for me to conclude definitively with a yes or no answer. The reason it's hard is because the nature of the content Wikilieaks provides makes them a fine target for manipulation. Just as spy agencies will at times "turn" a rival agency's spies or contacts by providing them with misinformation, Wikileaks is susceptible to the same form of chicanery. With that in mind, to the extent that a Wikileaks story is confirmed by the organization/person about which its content discloses information, I think Wikileaks is credible. All other Wikileaks content, however, I would take with the same grain of salt that I do information obtained from other sources.
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09-06-2013, 08:45 PM | #148 | |
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A White House doorman? That must be a seriously cool job to have!
I think Wikileaks is credible as none of their information has been disproved, as far as i'm aware. Also the fact that the US are seriously on Assange's case shows they aren't happy with their secrets being released. Therefore i believe the not-for-profit wikileaks is a far more credible source of infomation than any news broadcaster. The followng joint statement was made at the G20 summit today/yesterday by a few countries, including the US and UK: Quote:
So tony, do you at least accept that the US Government is hypocritical, in regards to the use of chemical weapons? If you do agree with the US being hypocritical, then surely they can't be going in Syria for moral reasons? Logic states that, due to them using chemical weapons themselves in the past, this act does not violate their morals (because obviously if it did go against their morals they would not have used chemical weapons themselves). Therefore it is illogical that another country using chemical weapons would violate the US' moral standards, apart from two exceptions: 1) The US believe they, and allies such as the UK and Israel, are far more superior to other countries and therefore have the moral right to use chemical weapons. 2) The US have suddenly changed their moral standards and have decided that the use of chemical weapons is immoral. I'm inclined to go with number one. Or, if morality isn't the reason, then it's another unknown reason. I never thought in a million years the US Government would be helping the rebels, who are lunatics with links to Al Quaeda and murder Syrian Christians. How do you think your troops feel after fighting Al Quaeda for over a decade, seeing lives lost to them, and now they are helping them out? It has also been revealed that the CIA are training rebels to use military weapons and communication equipment. What about the War on Terror? Last edited by mob17; 09-06-2013 at 08:53 PM.. |
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09-07-2013, 05:52 AM | #149 | |
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I love America and enjoy visiting often however the government and their foreign policy stinks, full of double standards and personal agendas. Anyway wrt the issue in Syria - did Assad use Chem weapons ? If he did then he should be brought to justice (so should every other gov who has btw !!) but tbh we don't really know do we?? The people have voted and we aren't going in - which is good IMO. All I ask is that we represent a civilised and developed world and be decent to each other on this thread - it started well but has got a bit personal in the last few pages. I agree with a lot of what Mob has said but of course everyone is entitled their opinions whether for or against but keep it nice people !! Much love x
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Can't help feeling that there is a little irony in this BBC London news story......
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-23632245 I guess Agent Orange used by US Forces in Vietnam must be 'good' chemical weapons.... Now don't get me wrong, I am a huge supporter of the US and the close military relationship and shared values we have, but bombing Syria would be a calamitous action and have a load of unintended consequences. Hats off to the Russians for trying to break the deadlock, Obama needs to see this as a face saving way out of otherwise leading the US/World towards somewhere none of us want to be. |
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09-09-2013, 03:01 PM | #152 | |
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I don't think there is any doubt that the US and UK as countries and governments are superior to any number of other countries, not the least of which is Syria. I don't know enough about Israel to say whether they are superior. I don't see the connection between that superiority and having a moral right to use chemical weapons. Even granting your first option, the wrongs one nation/person may have committed in the past do not provide justification for another to do so now.
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Yep i've made many mistakes in the past, like most people, but have learnt from those mistakes. So i don't repeat them and don't try to justify repeating them by influencing others
So you're going with option 2 then, that the US have realised their previous bad actions and have learnt from them, and now preaching the gospel onto others? Hmm that would work if the US only used chemical weapons once before. Doesn't really work if they've used them multiple times? It could be true, but a very very low chance that your rulers have had this sudden consciousness. I totally agree with you regarding our poor troops, who are just used in these wars then forgotten about by the Government after. I also agree that there shouldn't be a link between superiority and the moral use of chemical weapons, but considering option 2 isn't viable, it leaves option 1: I believe our countries feel they have a right to invade whichever country they want because they are superior and no one can stop them. Quote:
Tony, i feel you are wanting to believe (or you do believe) that your Government is there to protect you and to help gain world peace. I can understand why you would want to believe this. America has a great history and anything to tarnish that would be upsetting. But being an American is about Freedom (i think it is??). Unfortunately many citizens feel it is freedom from the "terrorists" and not freedom from the Rulers. I'll leave you with a quote from Abraham Lincoln: Quote:
The above is what happens when a country uses a private central bank to issue its monetary notes to the Government - repayable with interest. Only one logical outcome. Loads of Debt! And the money just trickles all the way to Wall Street. The US "Federal" reserve issues your notes. I put federal in quotes as its NOT federal, its a private central bank. Well what's the solution? I'll quote my new friend Abraham Lincoln again: Quote:
So i don't believe that these wars are about morals and helping people. It's about setting up private central banks and raising as much debt as possible to make money. Bit off topic but i have a question to any followers of the Jewish religion. Do Jews pray that King Solomon's temple will be rebuilt in their lifetime, when they go to the wall in Jerusalem? |
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