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03-22-2018, 04:39 PM | #1 |
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After installing my catless downpipes and switching to an MHD Stage 2+ Tune, I began noticing a very faint fluttering sound during acceleration. I can hear this sound under a moderate and heavy acceleration. At first the turbo spool sounds normal but as the RPM climbs that flutter sound starts Max boost on this Tune is right under 17psi, from what I understand people run up to 19-20psi and don't experience problems so I'm really stumped as to why this is happening. There are no codes or jolting or anything like that just a fluttering sound when accelerating. Here is a list of my currents Mods: MHD Stage 2+ Tune Catless Downpipes AA Race Intercooler VRSF Chargepipe Forge DV's Short Log I Took Yesterday: https://datazap.me/u/lyeguy/march-22...og=0&data=3-21 This only happens under acceleration so I'm pretty sure it isn't diverted valve related. Any help would be greatly appreciated. Thanks |
03-22-2018, 04:51 PM | #3 |
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03-23-2018, 08:30 AM | #7 |
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Yellows but they are old (Yellow Paint is starting to chip) Do you think that would make a difference? I didn't think it was a DV problem because I was hearing the flutter sound on acceleration and the DV's are closed anyway
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03-23-2018, 09:47 AM | #8 |
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We have had some issues in the past with the Forge getting "sticky" and/or slow to respond. Suggest a rebuild and make sure that you have a dedicated nice big thick line directly from your manifold to them.
Flutter on acceleration (if real) is not good for turbo longevity at all. Def take some logs and see what's going on. Chris |
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03-23-2018, 09:54 AM | #9 | |
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Also, from what I understand, The DV's would only be causing compressor surge problems on deceleration. Since I'm hearing this sound on acceleration am I safe to assume the DV's aren't the problem or no? |
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03-24-2018, 02:25 PM | #10 |
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Nothing screams out to me about on-throttle surging, you do have a throttle closure -small- that could possibly be causing you a little grief and if your ears are sensitive might be what you hear. With no disrespect to the MHD tunes at all, ultimately it's always best to have a pro-tune for your specific car/altitude/fuel/etc. Try putting on a more conservative map and seeing if the issue repeats.
As to directly answer your question about on throttle.... if you get a partial throttle closure, once the pressure differential between your manifold and the charge pipe reaches some X value (depends on BOV/BPV/Springs used), the valve(s) are supposed to quickly bleed off excess boost. With a lighter spring and a better line, even with that quick throttle closure you have it might be enough to get rid of what you're hearing. I don't have enough information here to promise you one way or the other, but it's always good practice to make sure the mechanical components are functioning properly. All the above said.... remember you have to hold the keyboard close to my ears so I can hear what you're hearing, lol. Chris |
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03-24-2018, 06:27 PM | #11 | |
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It could just be me I am very finicky about sounds and I can only hear it with the windows down at lower speeds. Also I've been paying more attention and it only seems to be happening at lower RPM's with partial throttle openings. With that being said I have ordered a rebuild kit as well as a spring kit for my forge DV's and I'm gonna message Wedge about getting a custom tune. How do I go about getting thicker lines to my DV's? Thanks again and I look forward to your response |
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03-25-2018, 01:19 PM | #12 | |
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That said, recently a different vendor came up with a solution to avoid drilling and tapping the manifold. I haven't tested it to ensure it works as advertised but it looks promising. I sent you a PM with more details about the Tmap BOV Line Adapter. Chris Last edited by Chris@VargasTurboTech; 03-25-2018 at 01:26 PM.. |
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03-25-2018, 07:55 PM | #13 | |
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The diverter valves crack open with about a 4 psi differential and you should hear a hissing sound as the valves bleed off the pressure difference. Is that what you are referring to a surging? I experienced turbo flutter on my GTI and it sounded like chirping - not hissing. When I go part throttle on my 135i, the forge valves hiss quite a bit until I fully open the throttle. It's just boost pressure in the charge pipe getting ahead of the pressure in the manifold because the throttle plate is partially restricting full flow and this triggers the DV's to crack |
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03-26-2018, 07:28 PM | #15 | |
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03-27-2018, 06:57 PM | #16 | |
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If it happens on part throttle only then I would get new springs or you can add the shims that came with the kit to stiffen up your existing ones. I guess over time the springs lose their stiffness (kind of like me getting older....lol) In fact, I am going to shim mine next time I open up the DV's. |
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03-28-2018, 09:28 AM | #17 |
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Look at his throttle position at 4085.
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03-28-2018, 10:24 AM | #19 |
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your throttle is closing a bit during your pull. looks like you where easing into it by pedal position. There was a slight overboost about 1k beforehand that might have caused your throttle to back off a moment. You might have heard flutter near the top of your roll in, 4085.
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Thanks for the offer I just checked and it looks like the shipment is now in Transit. Expected delivery on Saturday.
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