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04-07-2010, 03:57 PM | #45 |
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04-07-2010, 04:03 PM | #46 |
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Pete - your point about the size of the State is spot on - last time I looked over 50% of UK GDP was the State. This means that 50% of GDP is unproductive and non-income producing. This needs to be funded by the other 50% of the economy.
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04-07-2010, 04:05 PM | #47 | |
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Don't be under the illusion that the Labour lot are just an 'ordinary bunch' of everyday guys...... ................ nice 'n' cuddly 'everyday Socialists in the current Cabinet; Lord 'sleaze' Mandelson (Grammar school - (shock horror) Oxford University), Lord Adonis (Kingham High School (fee paying of course) - Oxford University), Lord Drayson - St Dunstan's college - fee paying (of course), Baroness Scotland, Baroness Royal (Forest of Dean Grammar school), and of course I have to mention dear Harriet H - St Pauls Girls School - fee paying - but of course. |
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04-07-2010, 04:08 PM | #48 |
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never mind the others how can anyone whos not a total numpty vote labour they have buggered everything and everyone for 13 years, what sort of nutter goes on borrowing when they are skint, weve got kids leaving school who cant read and write crime is out of control so is immigration and we are fighting a so called war that is both unwinable and illegal, if you think thats ok than yes labour has done well. blair at the very least should be tried for war cimes and preferably hung! and his money grabbing wife locked up because shes so damned ugly. what is important is that we get shot of this lot before they sink us so far down the toilet that theres no coming back well worry about how good or bad cameron is then. i forgot the filthy hospitals doctors not one can understand, legalising drugs because they cant control that either, lack of discipline and good manners, innocent people being beaten to death in the streets for daring to question ferrel youths smashing their cars up etc etc.
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04-07-2010, 04:36 PM | #50 | |
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Why should a decent education only be the preserve of those who can afford to pay for it? Why not for ordinary people who cannot afford £5k a term in fees? |
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04-07-2010, 04:44 PM | #51 |
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So people are voting Conservative because Brown inherited Blair's lame duck period. We all know the Cons are going to win this election, seeing massive swings in the home constituencies.
Cameron will win because he's more youthful and "new". Politics is a farce, it's turning into American personality politics. What a load of s*%^ Both campaigns are just celebrations of standing for a party. Once in power, all will be forgotten, and we'll still be in a Balance of Payments deficit, with astronomical debt figures. Prove me wrong Conservatives... (in before Conservative fanboys ) |
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04-07-2010, 04:54 PM | #52 | |
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The Financial Crisis didn't happen on the Tory watch did it? It happened under the Labour government. The Tripartite system of the FSA, The Bank of England and the Treasury failed big time, who was that implemented by? New Labour I believe. Either way, as Steve says above, no matter who you vote for life will be no easier. Taxes will rise, public spending cuts will be made and unfounded wars will be fought. |
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04-07-2010, 04:58 PM | #53 |
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04-07-2010, 05:03 PM | #54 | |
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Would we actually be better off in the cons had been in power when the banking crisis hit? Do people actually believe it wouldn't have happened under a con govt? I'm no fan of brown and some of the less-than-honest labour cronies, but it is really frighteningly shortsighted to think the cons are really the answer. George Osbourne as chancellor? -f'ing terrifying. At the end of the day for all their failings Labour (and their morally robust MPs) stand for more upstanding principles than the cons - and that will always be the case. |
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04-07-2010, 05:06 PM | #55 | |
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Your comment can be construed by some as misinformed and potentially offensive just because of your laziness not to research or make sure. Jus sayin' |
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04-07-2010, 05:21 PM | #56 | |
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04-07-2010, 05:23 PM | #57 | |
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That has got to be the funniest thing I've read all day. Are you being serious AJD? Of the four MP's who were charged over the expenses scandal, how many were Labour MP's? Are you also suggesting that Geoff Hoon, Stephen Byers, Patricia Hewitt and Margaret Moran are morally robust MP's? |
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04-07-2010, 05:27 PM | #58 | |
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Someone tell me George Osbourne would have prevented the bankers woes (all his mates basically)- it would have probably have been even worse, and he may not have bailed them out, leaving thousands of innocent banking victims with no money............. |
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04-08-2010, 02:18 AM | #60 | |
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And don't presume decent is always private - there are plenty of excellent state schools.
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04-08-2010, 02:20 AM | #61 | |
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Actually you are mistaken. The bank bailout was handled by taking on the bank's liabilities and printing an extra £200 Billion cash, making the State the major shareholder in several failing enterprises. Effectively what the State has are massive liabilities, not (yet) debt. What you see today is simply down to profligate spending and wreckless disregard for prudence. Regarding Labor policies, you are probably right that their principles are more socially orientated but that's not the issue. The issue is competence. They may have the best policies in the World but they are also utterly, completely unable to implement them in a sustainable manner. In a capitalist society, even the poorest do better when the economy is healthy and growing. This simply cannot be achieved when the government syphons off most of the lifeblood of business and consumers i.e free capital With more than 50% of GDP going to fund Labour's irresponsible and hugely wasteful programs, Britain's recovery will be at best slow and painful. The point really is, with a well run public sector, we could have the same services we have today at a fraction of the cost. We now have this hugely expensive and wasteful apparatus of state that's economically equivalent to an overloaded camel. What we're now debating with National Insurance for example is where we want to place the last straw. New Labour is in effect a giant parasite with good intentions |
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04-08-2010, 03:16 AM | #63 | |
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PS Doing this during the day as I am a work shy layabout and Jeremy Kyle has not started yet. What time do the pubs open? |
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Perhaps children are even leaving school with poor standards in spelling, grammar and punctuation? |
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