[hassmaschine]

TL;DR. This thread makes me happy to have a 330i.

[GnomeChild]

OP don’t buy a BMW, they suck

[ryan stewart]

I think the whole "dont spend 2500 on a 7k car" logic of the OP is silly. Cars arent financial instruments, they arent diamonds. They have INTRINSIC value. Cars get you from point A to point B.

I havent had a car payment in half a decade. Just this year I dropped about $3k into my car (did more work than OP since I did most of it myself, money was in part and tools). But its not to change the value of my car, its because I can turn around and drive the car for at least another 5 years. Sure other things may come up beyond wear items (counting things like tires in service bills is stupid) but I took care of all of the items that were likely to fail in the next 50k.

Even if I got a small budget car Id likely be looking at putting out 25K or 350-400 a month for 3-4 years. If I can drop $3k to avoid that and still get the same amount of function then, well, there is your value.

Im not even an enthusiast about this car. I just dont like anything new enough to want to drop thousands on it and this car still does everything I need. Its just good financial sense.

[TheMidnightNarwhal]

Originally Posted by Pladi

when i hear people say stuff like " leaks are routine maintenance at 100k " i know that they never owned any other cars but german. Gasket leaks like the ones we see with the e90 are UNHEARD of with any other make. These cars leak oil like no tomorrow.

I did my OFHG a few weeks ago after 1 year of doing it.. The guy at the BMW dealership had the computer screen up and the guy before me had ordered the same gasket..I asked whats up with this bullshit. He said this is the reason why i have a job..

I agree.

But I think the killer IMO is not DIYing. You can either buy a more shitty car and have it no break down or get a high end car and have to work a bit on it.

And for the latter, the payoff is definitely worth it.

[CTinline-six]

Originally Posted by TheMidnightNarwhal

I agree.

But I think the killer IMO is not DIYing. You can either buy a more shitty car and have it no break down or get a high end car and have to work a bit on it.

And for the latter, the payoff is definitely worth it.

Spot on, and this is true for any brand.

With dealerships charging $100+ per hour, no matter what brand you have it will be expensive to maintain. While German cars have their fair share of issues due to complexity, the other brands are quickly catching up. My dad's Jeep Grand Cherokee just had a few issues with the 4x4 system, and the modules needed to be coded. No INPA-like software or anything close available for that unless you buy a crazy expensive dealer scan tool, so he was forced to pay the $500 to have them coded.

[Pladi]

Originally Posted by TheMidnightNarwhal

I agree.

But I think the killer IMO is not DIYing. You can either buy a more shitty car and have it no break down or get a high end car and have to work a bit on it.

And for the latter, the payoff is definitely worth it.

Yes unfortunately not DYI can be extremely difficult ownership. In 3 years i calculated that i have saved $6k CAD.. doing stuff myself

[BravoJohny33]

Originally Posted by Pladi

when i hear people say stuff like " leaks are routine maintenance at 100k " i know that they never owned any other cars but german. Gasket leaks like the ones we see with the e90 are UNHEARD of with any other make. These cars leak oil like no tomorrow.

I did my OFHG a few weeks ago after 1 year of doing it.. The guy at the BMW dealership had the computer screen up and the guy before me had ordered the same gasket..I asked whats up with this bullshit. He said this is the reason why i have a job..

This.. I have had american and japanese cars. Never had oil leaks but my BMW has been leaking for 4 years now. I just fixed the VCG but letting the oil pan ride until I start to lose much more oil

[Bimmer_Engineer]

Originally Posted by Pladi

Yes unfortunately not DYI can be extremely difficult ownership. In 3 years i calculated that i have saved $6k CAD.. doing stuff myself

That's like at least $50 American...

[blueloco]

Originally Posted by CTinline-six

Spot on, and this is true for any brand.

With dealerships charging $100+ per hour, no matter what brand you have it will be expensive to maintain. While German cars have their fair share of issues due to complexity, the other brands are quickly catching up. My dad's Jeep Grand Cherokee just had a few issues with the 4x4 system, and the modules needed to be coded. No INPA-like software or anything close available for that unless you buy a crazy expensive dealer scan tool, so he was forced to pay the $500 to have them coded.

The WK2 Jeep drivetrain is German or at least a clone of a ZF system. Not sure where all the parts are coming from these days. My 3rd Gen Durango takes the same power steering fluid, Pentosin CHF-11S, and the Diffs and T-case are made in Germany. The trans is USA but under ZF license. German car repair prices? Probably but for $30K new these things are a screaming deal if you want basically a Mercedes. Handling from their latest platform is superb. I guess keeping it on topic for the OP maybe look at a Jeep... You might be surprised what FCA has done. The Pentastar V-6 is a great canidate for tuning too and stock they pack decent punch.

[TemjinX2]

Originally Posted by GnomeChild

OP don’t buy a BMW, they suck

thats why you never buy a BMW, you lease.

[Pladi]

Originally Posted by Bimmer_Engineer

That's like at least $50 American...

hahahahah almost

[Pladi]

Originally Posted by Ozzie335i

"Japanese/Korean reliability is well known. IF you dispute that you have not owned many japanese cars."

There is an issue with 2011 2012 Hyundais having bearing issues that have caused engines to cease up. The reality is that all manufacturers have their issues.

what a shallow comment.. ofcourse all car manufactures have some issues with specific models and years and specific issues. We have to talk about statistics. What are the chances that an Asian car will break down within 100 k compare to a BMW. You have to take into account many years and models. We are talking about the philosophy of business between makes. Its different. The BMW philosophy is different hence they target different customers. Japanese is different. This has nothing to do with how capable BMW is at making a reliable car. They are very capable. But that is not part of their business philosophy.

[9krpmrx8]

Wah, my BMW is so unreliable.

[9krpmrx8]

[Pladi]

Originally Posted by 9krpmrx8

Wah, my BMW is so unreliable.

Its a misleading list. Your BMW is not 2018 ..

You have to pull up a list for the last 10 years or more.

Not only that the issues we discuss are within 100K miles. Cars on that list would not have been driven that long. ITs a year old..

[9krpmrx8]

Yeah they are all available from the different markets.

[nsjames]

Originally Posted by Pladi

what a shallow comment.. ofcourse all car manufactures have some issues with specific models and years and specific issues. We have to talk about statistics. What are the chances that an Asian car will break down within 100 k compare to a BMW. You have to take into account many years and models. We are talking about the philosophy of business between makes. Its different. The BMW philosophy is different hence they target different customers. Japanese is different. This has nothing to do with how capable BMW is at making a reliable car. They are very capable. But that is not part of their business philosophy.

so what about all those years that Honda had auto trans problems? A whole decade worth of crappy transmissions that failed at 80K miles.
.
Headgaskets? I've seen plenty of Honda 4 bangers recently from the mid to late 00s' that all have popped head gaskets.

Major mechanical faults or some oil leaks? I'll take some oil leaks.

and yes, I've owned Hondas, My dad currently has a Pilot, my inlaws have a newer Pilot and my grandmother hasn't owned anything but hondas since the 80s.
The quality has gone downhill. Honda is selling cars based on their reputation at this point, but eventually people are going to realize that the premium they command isn't worth it anymore.

The great boogeyman of BMW unreliability is overstated, and they are not terribly difficult to work on.

[Pladi]

Originally Posted by 9krpmrx8

Yeah they are all available from the different markets.

yup quite far down the list.. always japanese cars make it on top..

[9krpmrx8]

Originally Posted by Pladi

yup quite far down the list.. always japanese cars make it on top..

I love Japanese cars, but come on man, they are not all great.

[CTinline-six]

Originally Posted by blueloco

The WK2 Jeep drivetrain is German or at least a clone of a ZF system. Not sure where all the parts are coming from these days. My 3rd Gen Durango takes the same power steering fluid, Pentosin CHF-11S, and the Diffs and T-case are made in Germany. The trans is USA but under ZF license. German car repair prices? Probably but for $30K new these things are a screaming deal if you want basically a Mercedes. Handling from their latest platform is superb. I guess keeping it on topic for the OP maybe look at a Jeep... You might be surprised what FCA has done. The Pentastar V-6 is a great canidate for tuning too and stock they pack decent punch.

Interesting. His is a 2013 with 5.7L Hemi with the Chrysler transmission.

[Pladi]

Originally Posted by nsjames

so what about all those years that Honda had auto trans problems? A whole decade worth of crappy transmissions that failed at 80K miles.
.
Headgaskets? I've seen plenty of Honda 4 bangers recently from the mid to late 00s' that all have popped head gaskets.

Major mechanical faults or some oil leaks? I'll take some oil leaks.

and yes, I've owned Hondas, My dad currently has a Pilot, my inlaws have a newer Pilot and my grandmother hasn't owned anything but hondas since the 80s.
The quality has gone downhill. Honda is selling cars based on their reputation at this point, but eventually people are going to realize that the premium they command isn't worth it anymore.



The great boogeyman of BMW unreliability is overstated, and they are not terribly difficult to work on.

your answer is on top of your post. BMW does not even come close to the top over the years reliability.

[Pladi]

Originally Posted by 9krpmrx8

I love Japanese cars, but come on man, they are not all great.

IDK man your own post says they are hahaha But ofcourse we can argue all day.. doesnt matter.