[jgalaxy]

Originally Posted by Nick Nazareno

some 17"s fit for sure.. the OEM style 161 17" wheels fit over 335 brakes.. i think other 17s with similar offset to stock will fit

i think you should adjust your right foot to stop the sliding

I agree with the general consensus of more seat time. But I do want to move off the 19" show rims and minimize murderizing my Goodyear F1s and it sounds like the 17" Kosei K1 and Advan A048 will likely do the trick.

[leftcoastman]

Originally Posted by jgalaxy

I agree with the general consensus of more seat time. But I do want to move off the 19" show rims and minimize murderizing my Goodyear F1s and it sounds like the 17" Kosei K1 and Advan A048 will likely do the trick.

Woah there. This is your first few events and you want to get R-compounds already?

You are free to, but I guarantee you it will slow your progression as a driver. The increased limits will simply mask your mistakes.

I recommend a nice friendly street tire like a Falken RT615

[T Bone]

Originally Posted by leftcoastman

Woah there. This is your first few events and you want to get R-compounds already?

You are free to, but I guarantee you it will slow your progression as a driver. The increased limits will simply mask your mistakes.

I recommend a nice friendly street tire like a Falken RT615

Agreed.

Also R Compounds can be more dangerous for people just starting to track. With street tires, the loss of traction is accompanied by lots of noise and progressive traction loss...R compounds have a much finer edge and will snap away.

[longodj]

Go with Bridgestone RE01Rs! They give you R compound like performance (hardly but what do you want from a street tire) with the deathly squealing of a street tire. They've helped me a bunch!

[longodj]

Or also in the class and another that people seem to be loving is the Dunlop Direzza Star Spec or Falken Azenis

[sayemthree]

Kumho MX is another good street tire for the track and pretty cheap. Its not bad advice to get a set of 17's but start of with something like this street tire - then go to the R's.

[Dascamel]

Kumho's are lasting a long time here. Only complaint I have are sidewalls are soft.

[longodj]

the sidewalls on the re01rs are rock solid, even in the tall aspect ratio I'm running.

[T Bone]

Originally Posted by Dascamel

Kumho's are lasting a long time here. Only complaint I have are sidewalls are soft.

soft sidewalls + long thread life not so good for the track

[S4to335]

DONT get R compounds if you are a noob to track driving. period.

[longodj]

Not to hijack, but here's a question. When do you get R compounds? I mean....since installing the sway I'm not hitting the limit of my tires anymore which means I need to tighten the nut behind the steering wheel. But....do you just get R compounds when you start sliding again? or what's the story? Is there a definitive marker?

[S4to335]

Originally Posted by longodj

Not to hijack, but here's a question. When do you get R compounds? I mean....since installing the sway I'm not hitting the limit of my tires anymore which means I need to tighten the nut behind the steering wheel. But....do you just get R compounds when you start sliding again? or what's the story? Is there a definitive marker?

I would suggest at least 10 full track days..remember a tire good for autox is NOT good for road racing tracks. Autox tires need to heat up fast..you dont want road racing tires to do that..

[leftcoastman]

I'll go further than S4 and suggest that you go 15 days. Dancing with the limits is a good thing.

If you imagine the traction circle, you are fastest when you are right on the edge of it. A tadbit of sliding means that you're flirting with the limit, which is good. Throwing R-comps on makes the limit higher (circle bigger) and the drop off much harsher.

Street tires - it's gripgrip-lessgrip-SQUEAL-lessgrip-SQQUEEEEEALLL-sliide-slide-recover
Rcomps - gripgripgripgripgrip-"why am I facing backwards and why is there grass all around me?".

That said, with my NT01s (great intro rcomp as it's friendly for an rcomp and lasts a long time), I can't hear much complaining, but I can really feel it through the steering wheel. When I drove in a hoosier clad car, it was like "gripgripgripgripgripgripgripgrip...SLIIIIIDE! "

Do 15 days on street tires and then try out the NT01.

[nicknaz]

Originally Posted by T Bone

soft sidewalls + long thread life not so good for the track

the kumho MX has 'soft' sidewalls compared to RT615, RE01R, etc etc. but it is capable at the track, especially for a novice/intermediate driver. I've used both RT615 and Kumho MX for DEs

in some ways i actually preferred the MX over the RT615 because the MX was not very heat sensitive at all.

OP, do you still have your stock wheels with RE050A II RFT? you should put those back on and give it a try at a DE before you purchase other wheels/tires. i've used those tires for several DEs at t-hill and infineon and found them to be sufficient. the turn-in feeling is great because the sidewalls are mega stiff. as a bonus, the tires are not very heat sensitive and also give you lots of warning and break away progressively. the only reason i am thinking of switching is the replacement cost is $$$

[leftcoastman]

Originally Posted by Nick Nazareno

the kumho MX has 'soft' sidewalls compared to RT615, RE01R, etc etc. but it is capable at the track, especially for a novice/intermediate driver. I've used both RT615 and Kumho MX for DEs

in some ways i actually preferred the MX over the RT615 because the MX was not very heat sensitive at all.

OP, do you still have your stock wheels with RE050A II RFT? you should put those back on and give it a try at a DE before you purchase other wheels/tires. i've used those tires for several DEs at t-hill and infineon and found them to be sufficient. the turn-in feeling is great because the sidewalls are mega stiff. as a bonus, the tires are not very heat sensitive and also give you lots of warning and break away progressively. the only reason i am thinking of switching is the replacement cost is $$$

Fo sho. The stockers are great track tires, despite people's bitching. It's just not worth $300 a pop, lol. And the staggered setup really exacerbates the front tire wear, making the $300 replacement cost even more painful!

Have you had any chunking issues with the MX? My buddy has em on his E36 M3 and it looked like a rat went to town on the tread.

[nicknaz]

Originally Posted by leftcoastman

Fo sho. The stockers are great track tires, despite people's bitching. It's just not worth $300 a pop, lol. And the staggered setup really exacerbates the front tire wear, making the $300 replacement cost even more painful!

Have you had any chunking issues with the MX? My buddy has em on his E36 M3 and it looked like a rat went to town on the tread.

yes i totally agree. i am not looking forward to the tire replacement costs. that said, i'm reluctant to go to a non RFT since i got burned by a nail while driving on skyline blvd a while back (getting stuck in the middle of nowhere with spotty cell phone reception SUCKS!!!)

no, i never got chunking with MX, probably because i'm pretty chill at DEs. i use RT615, RT215 and Kumho MX for over 15k street miles and multiple DEs before replacement. i always do warm up and cool down laps, back off when the tire starts to overheat, and spray down the tires with a water bottle between sessions

EDIT: RT215 experience was in an integra, RT615 and Kumho MX experience were in a WRX. only 2 months and 3 DEs worth of time with my stock E90

[longodj]

Originally Posted by leftcoastman

I'll go further than S4 and suggest that you go 15 days. Dancing with the limits is a good thing.

If you imagine the traction circle, you are fastest when you are right on the edge of it. A tadbit of sliding means that you're flirting with the limit, which is good. Throwing R-comps on makes the limit higher (circle bigger) and the drop off much harsher.

Street tires - it's gripgrip-lessgrip-SQUEAL-lessgrip-SQQUEEEEEALLL-sliide-slide-recover
Rcomps - gripgripgripgripgrip-"why am I facing backwards and why is there grass all around me?".

That said, with my NT01s (great intro rcomp as it's friendly for an rcomp and lasts a long time), I can't hear much complaining, but I can really feel it through the steering wheel. When I drove in a hoosier clad car, it was like "gripgripgripgripgripgripgripgrip...SLIIIIIDE! "

Do 15 days on street tires and then try out the NT01.

Hah! wow...I guess by the end of the year I'll be at.....9ish days? I guess I won't be getting R comps until the middle of next summer. Fine with me

[AWD Addict]

Originally Posted by jho86

so when upgrading sways on just an "I" without LSD, upgrade BOTH FRONT AND REAR sways?

I would get an adjustable front bar to minimize the oversteer, and try to find neutrality. I don't think you want the rear any looser, so I'd just leave it alone.

[jgalaxy]

Originally Posted by S4to335

DONT get R compounds if you are a noob to track driving. period.

I`m starting to see a common thread here. Makes sense to get acclimated to the regular rubbish first. No qualms there.

Originally Posted by Nick Nazareno

the kumho MX has 'soft' sidewalls compared to RT615, RE01R, etc etc. but it is capable at the track, especially for a novice/intermediate driver. I've used both RT615 and Kumho MX for DEs

in some ways i actually preferred the MX over the RT615 because the MX was not very heat sensitive at all.

OP, do you still have your stock wheels with RE050A II RFT? you should put those back on and give it a try at a DE before you purchase other wheels/tires. i've used those tires for several DEs at t-hill and infineon and found them to be sufficient. the turn-in feeling is great because the sidewalls are mega stiff. as a bonus, the tires are not very heat sensitive and also give you lots of warning and break away progressively. the only reason i am thinking of switching is the replacement cost is $$$

I got rid of the runflats the first week I had the car. Although they handled cornering pretty well, they were far less useful for daily road use on the mushy stock XI shocks that come with the car.

The KWv3`s do a great job at flattening out the car in corners and provide the needed stability at speed.

I just simply noticed a lot of sliding with my setup and was looking for the lowest and cheapest common denominator (besides the nut behind the wheel) - tires and rims made the best sense.

[longodj]

Originally Posted by jgalaxy

I`m starting to see a common thread here. Makes sense to get acclimated to the regular rubbish first. No qualms there.



I got rid of the runflats the first week I had the car. Although they handled cornering pretty well, they were far less useful for daily road use on the mushy stock XI shocks that come with the car.

The KWv3`s do a great job at flattening out the car in corners and provide the needed stability at speed.

I just simply noticed a lot of sliding with my setup and was looking for the lowest and cheapest common denominator (besides the nut behind the wheel) - tires and rims made the best sense.

You sound discouraged. Definitely don't be. Even though the RE01R or Direzza or Ecsta MX are street tires, they are damn high performing street tires. The Kosei K1 in combination with any of those will still be a hugely killer combo.

[Ramos]

Hey guys,

Wheeldude has some replica Te37 that look sweet.. They will prob. be a little heavier than the Kosei's but look way better.. They only come in 17x9 though.. Will that rub in the front? with either 245/45-17 or 255/40-17 tires?

[satakal]

Originally Posted by Ramos

Hey guys,

Wheeldude has some replica Te37 that look sweet.. They will prob. be a little heavier than the Kosei's but look way better.. They only come in 17x9 though.. Will that rub in the front? with either 245/45-17 or 255/40-17 tires?

Damn dude, you're all about digging up threads from the past!

I think "replica" usually means.... weak. I don't know what the track guys will say, but the guys that sell non-rep wheels will tell you to stay away. But, they have an obvious bias. Additionally, I think it's a safe assumption that the reps will be 10-20% heavier than the real stuff.
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