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02-02-2010, 10:18 AM | #23 | |
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if you think i am annoying you, why even bother posting? just ignore it and skip it to the next post then. i am not guru like you so i don't know what to tell you. thanks for all the information btw... p.s. so do you have any opinion about RL D4? oh wait...
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02-02-2010, 11:34 AM | #25 | ||
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"According to spare part number of vehicle manufacturer: ZF Lifeguardfluid6 (ZF No. S671 090 255) => AML Oil No. 4G4319A509/AA/S => Audi /VW Oil No. G 055005 A1 / A2 / A6 => Bentley Oil No. PY112995PA => BMW Oil No. 8322 0142516 => Hyundai Oil No. 040000C90SG => Jaguar Oil No. Jaguar Fluid 8432 => Land Rover Oil No. TYK500050 => Maserati Oil No. 231603" If ZF Lifeguardfluid6 - or in reality; Shell 1375.4 - was an 11A or 11B classification then it would be listed on the relative Lubricate Class on page 4 or 5 of List of lubricants TE-ML 11
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02-02-2010, 01:03 PM | #26 | |
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02-02-2010, 01:05 PM | #27 |
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Your kidding right? To answer your question, Honda specifically stated in the owners manual, to only use this fluid in their transmission on a very temporary basis: 2003 Honda accord V6. That was a 5 speed auto handling only 240HP. You want to try this stuff in your 6 speed proceed E90?
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02-02-2010, 02:23 PM | #28 | |
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http://www.just-auto.com/ia.aspx?id=2403 The Pentosin ATF-1 *might* be OE, but not OEM. It is strange that Lifeguard6 does not show up on the TE-ML 11 spec sheet, but it explicitly states in there that the 6HP19, which the 335 (6HP19Z actually) has, uses lifeguard6. What all of us are trying to do is determine an equivalent oil that doesn't cost $45/liter. It appears to me that the Pentosin ATF-1 is a good equivalent, but without knowing the specifics of Lifeguard6, we can't really make that determination. I contacted ZF to see if I could get some straight answers, and will post them when/if I get them. Otherwise all we are doing is internet research and using the info that is out there. |
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02-02-2010, 04:39 PM | #29 | |
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The fact is that the manufacturer of the transmission, has given us a list of several fluids that are perfectly fine for the transmission. You guys can debate all you want, and put in whatever fluid you want, or dont even change the OEM lifetime fluid at all, and enjoy 33mpg highway (like I used to) Time will judge us all. |
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02-02-2010, 04:42 PM | #30 | |
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http://www.redlineoil.com/news_article.aspx?id=13 50k miles is 80k kms which i'm getting closer and closer... oh snap... better order something soon...
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02-05-2010, 10:41 AM | #31 | |
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So I got a reply back from ZF
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He kinda skirted my Shell M-1375.4 question and about fluids that say they are substitutes for that fluid. I tried to ask it again, in a different way...will post it up if i get a reply. |
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02-05-2010, 10:59 AM | #32 |
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thanks for sharing...
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02-05-2010, 11:19 PM | #34 | |
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F**K ZF! are you kidding me? do you think that lifeguard6 can last a lifetime of the car? Have you seen what the fluid looks like at only 40K miles of city driving, in a 6HP pushing only 255HP? Again, you guys can put in whatever you want. Go buy the lifecrap6 cough syrup, at the buttrape price if you want. I really don't care. You should do a search on that ZF distributor website, and see just how many ZF tranny rebuilding sites are in your state. Mine has 3. So of course you should leave the fluid in there forever, or pay the dealer 60 bucks per liter. What else did you expect from the customer service rep? At least now its official. Me and all the Jaguar guys are stupid. |
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02-06-2010, 02:14 AM | #35 |
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bmw and zf's definition of lifetime is 100k under normal driving condirion and 50k to 75k miles if you drive hard...
i'm not eliminating Pentosin or Redline for our tranny as an options in the future since i got response from both claiming that their fluids are totally fine on our transmission (just like ZF, of course they will say yes), i'd rather stay with oem drain and fill at this moment until more people try some other fluids and report it back. hopefully this drain and fill will last no problem until 80~100k then i'll come back to this and see what goes on. my dealer quoted me $36 per liter and told me they will need 5.5 for drain and fill without doing TQ convertor. i got a quote from the dealer saying they will perform the service fill for around $300 (including tax) which is not a bad deal for me. i figured if i order pentosin from the website, it will at least be $100 or so then still need to pay for couple hours of labour at any independent BMW shop who are capable of doing which at the end the difference will be around $100... turkeybaster115, please do report us back for your next drain and fill for your transmission. i'd curious to hear the comparison between OEM transmission fluids you had vs Pentosin you have now...
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I have no idea what the standards mean. I am currently considering Motul, since their engine & gear oil is so good (using the Motul 300V 75W90 in our MT cars). Any thoughts?
Motul Dexron III Technosynthese lubricant. GM Dexron III / Ford Mercon / Allison C-4 / Caterpillar To-2 Voith / ZF.
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Can anyone advise if the below part numbers are similar products;
BMW Part no: 83 22 0 142 516 BMW Part no: 83 22 0 144 137 Every1 is talking about oem oil BMW Part no: 83 22 0 142 516 but none are mentioned on BMW Part no: 83 22 0 144 137 . I'm concerned becos the latter atf oil was used to during draining and top-up of my trans. Have goggled the latter oil but not much info was found except this http://bmwfans.info/accessories/prod...s/gearbox_oil/ Any kind soul can verify that they are identical and can be used on my GA6HP19Z tranny? Oh ya and my ride is a 2006 E90 Many thks.. |
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02-06-2010, 10:07 AM | #38 | |
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02-06-2010, 11:24 AM | #39 | |
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I used castrol multi-import oil with a bottle of lucas tranny oil. It has never been smoother!
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02-08-2010, 11:34 AM | #42 | |
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One more final letter from ZF:
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02-08-2010, 02:35 PM | #43 | |
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You may already have this data for specs of Pentosin ATF-1: http://images.imcparts.net/shared/do...ssolt71141.pdf But that was back in 2003 when it was also known as ESSO LT 71 141. Pentosin, as you know, claims it can sub Shell 1375.4, but I haven't found a newer spec. I thought the following might be interesting. Some further internet searching showed a comment made to a Jag inquirer with regard to his ZF 6AT. The discussion centered around whether Ford Mercon V could be used in the ZF. This is supposedly the reply from the ZF rep. (of course, this is all unsubstantiated): Quote:
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just outta curiosity, when i did my tranny fluids service done at the dealership, the part number that i got is 83-22-0-406-929, not 83-22-0-142-516, which is nowhere to be found on any website or online.
have you guys heard of such part numbers anywhere? i called part dept, they said it is transmission oil for bmw but they can't verify for what model/tranny nor if it is shell M1375.4, which made me feel like , after spending $400+
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