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      01-31-2024, 10:30 AM   #111
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And Canadian prices are EXPENSIVE. I’ll bring parts across the border when I visit my aunt in Canada. Saved her quite a few $$$ on her F25.
Have you tried "Amazon CA" (that's NOT 'California' ;-)?
https://www.amazon.ca/s?k=BMW+113775...ref=nb_sb_noss
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As of February, BMW Canada shows 0 open recalls for this recall on my 2010.

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Vanos Recall Completed

Hello VANOS recall update
4 weeks - local dealer got the part in
Given a loaner N/C for 2 of the 4 weeks, I was away for 2

See attachment for service write up, I did pay the 92.50 for half an hour labour to install the expensive eccentric shaft sensor.
They also pointed out some things in a nice video that I was remiss on taking care of, very green ground cable and a rather large piece of missing splash shield (in Canada extremeparts.ca sells the splash shield for $ 119 cdn)

Engine ran well before, might even be slightly better - after 4 weeks driving automatics, loaner 330i and Mini Cooper S - i had to remember what the 3rd pedal was for

The dealer is holding off on any more recalls until they get more parts, Jan 28 to Feb 28 was a long time

Glad it is done and happy to have my car back
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      02-29-2024, 11:57 PM   #114
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Thanks for the info Scottguelph!!! I took a chance and called my local to find out if they knew anything, and they said that a fix was not available for our F10 yet. They explained it as basically there is a process (they didn't know/wouldn't say) to designate some vehicles as available to repair. It's either random, or oldest first or some other procedure. When an affected car is up, they contact the owner to bring it in.

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Hello VANOS recall update: 4 weeks - local dealer got the part in... Glad it is done and happy to have my car back
The Invoice states:
"found the intake vanos adjustor to have loose bolts. the new adjustor is ordered no eta on arrival. car pushed out side."
It appears that per the recall procedure (at least in CA), same as in 2014 RCRIT:
1) If any loose or broken bolt(s) are found on inspection, VANOS Unit on that cam is to be replaced;
2) Dealer did NOT have VANOS Unit on hand, and had to ORDER;
3) ALL 8 VANOS bolts (4 per cam) replaced;
4) Exhaust VANOS Unit NOT replaced, as NO original bolts were broken/loose.

NOT Stated in Invoice:
Whether only ONE bolt at a time was replaced in Exhaust VANOS. That is clearly required in 2014 RCRIT. If someone would take the time to identify the parts (by part#) listed on invoice and determine if any R-CRIT requires replacement of each part listed, that would be helpful.

ANYONE in US who has VANOS Bolt Recall performed, PLEASE ASK FOR COPY or URL for any RCRIT for Recall 23V-707 (2023 recall). If they state, IN WRITING, that 2014 RCRIT is followed, that's OK.
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Doesn't BMW normally label the B Pillar with a circle tag when a recall has been done?
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Both of my local dealers still say parts not available to handle my recall. I continue to drive the car and have no codes or engine issues I'm aware of, but I'm still a little anxious about it.
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Just go this comment message via my youtube that profiled the e91 faulty Vanos bolts issue and recall even though there’s no remedy yet from BMW:

“I called the number on the recall and they offered to reimburse you but only once the remedy was made available and it passed an inspection at a dealer. The local dealer offered this as well. I am hesitant to pay for the repai and then deal with who knows what red tape to get the reimbursement. If the dealer says their work needs to be redone you won't get reimbursed for the first repair.”

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I might as well join the conversation.
I have a 2011 535xi with a September 2010 build date, but it is not showing am open recall for this. It is clearly within the correct date range and should be covered. I am 100% positive it was not completed since the recall was in late 2023 while this car was being stored.

I bought it as a fixer upper and fixed a bunch of oil leaks, but if they will do this bolt recall maybe it'll fix my exhaust Vanos code!
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I might as well join the conversation.
I have a 2011 535xi with a September 2010 build date, but it is not showing am open recall for this. It is clearly within the correct date range and should be covered. I am 100% positive it was not completed since the recall was in late 2023 while this car was being stored.

I bought it as a fixer upper and fixed a bunch of oil leaks, but if they will do this bolt recall maybe it'll fix my exhaust Vanos code!
Which engine do you have?
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Which engine do you have?
535Xi with a MY2011 date is an N55, so not covered unfortunately.
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535Xi with a MY2011 date is an N55, so not covered unfortunately.
Darn, you are right. I originally read about the recall on Consumer Reports site and it listed the date range for my car but did not specify engines. I then Googled the document from #23V-707 but I am not sure what happened. Maybe I clicked a link for a different campaign that listed the N55. #23V-707 only mentions N52 cars.
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When I talked to the service writer at my local, they said that BMW was rolling the fix out. They didn't know by what process (build date, VIN, location, etc) but only some cars were showing green with remedy available and others showing red as unavailable. I was still in the later category...
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When I talked to the service writer at my local, they said that BMW was rolling the fix out. They didn't know by what process (build date, VIN, location, etc) but only some cars were showing green with remedy available and others showing red as unavailable. I was still in the later category...
Thanks for taking the time to tell us what you know (or what the SA does NOT know, or "Ain't Say'n" ;-) WHAT do the following MEAN?
1) "BMW was rolling the fix out". The "FIX" may have been "IN" since 2014.

2) "They [he/she?] didn't know by what process". Does SA, or anyone ELSE at Dealership KNOW what is causing DELAY? What RCRIT (Recall Criteria I presume) is to be followed? Same RCRIT as 2014? There is NO NEW RCRIT I can find, either via BMW or NHTSA. 2014 RCRIT called for replacement of VANOS Unit (~$500 retail) if any broken/ loose bolt on that Cam. NOT just replacement of cheap VANOS Bolts (8x).

3) "some cars were showing green with remedy available and others showing remedy as unavailable". WHAT is/are criteria for available vs. UNavailable? Does "remedy" refer to RCRIT/ Procedure to be followed? WHAT replacement parts? OTHER?

I'm actually MORE frustrated with NHTSA's apparent indifference, than BMW's predictable "Can-Kicking". NHTSA is SUPPOSED to "care" about protecting consumer interests and "Highway Safety". BMW is in business to make money. Why should BMW, if NOT pressured by NHTSA, do ANYTHING other than "Can-Kicking"?

This whole VANOS Bolt debacle, going back 10 years or more, shows WHY attempting to hold manufacturer LIABLE for any & all "Safety-related" defects is NOT a reasonable endeavor, when cars now last > 20 years if properly maintained. Is a broken VANOS bolt really a "Safety-related" defect, simply because the engine may stall at a bad time?

Should we expect a "Lifetime Warranty" on aluminum bolts? Prices of Vehicles will skyrocket if Manufacturers continue to NOT provide subsequent owners (2nd -5th, etc.) with info necessary to fix their OWN vehicles, with Manufacturer-/ Dealer-provided parts. THAT is the downside (to Manufacturer) of current "Business Model".

ANYONE have any more-recent publication from NHTSA on this 23V-707 RECALL than the RCLRPT-23V707-8195 pdf attached?

ANYONE talked to a good Indy shop who has been able to get correct Information?
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I just got a call from my dealership here in New York state to set up an appointment to have my recall repair taken care of. I'm going in Monday morning and will give everyone here a follow up on how everything went.
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... I'm going in Monday morning and will give everyone here a follow up on how everything went.
It would be MOST Helpful if you could get a copy of the pdf that sets out the PROCEDURE (RCRIT) to be followed by the dealer Techs in performing the Recall. If Dealer won't give you that (or a link to it), please provide a copy/Scan of your invoice/ paperwork.

BTW, expect them to tell you that your vehicle needs $$$$ of repairs (NOT covered by Recall ;-). IF you have a Scan Tool or diagnostic Software, Scan for ALL Fault Codes BEFORE you take it in, and keep Photo/ScreenPrint of those Codes.

Just ANOTHER Cynical DIY'er.
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It really has me wondering why they are doing my vanos bolts recall, but the NHTSA website is saying there is still NO REMEDY. I am going to call them tomorrow and ask what exactly is the procedure and parts that are replacing.
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I picked up a CEL on the F10 and the code was VANOS adjacent (130C01). Although I already checked, I thought might as well look one more time with the scope. Just confirming, that the non-security Torx are supposedly the okay kind? Cuz' that's what I have!

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I picked up a CEL on the F10 and the code was VANOS adjacent (130C01). Although I already checked, I thought might as well look one more time with the scope. Just confirming, that the non-security Torx are supposedly the okay kind? Cuz' that's what I have!

Yes those appear to be the right torx bolts. Hopefully, all eight are in there and tight...
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Yes those appear to be the right torx bolts. Hopefully, all eight are in there and tight...
Yeah, hopefully that's not too much to ask for, is it!?!?

Thanks for confirming the type is right, that's what I thought.
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How common is the Vanos bolt issue? Does the likelihood of a problem increase with mileage or age?
Common enough to spark a recall, and quite a few reports of the issue here on the forum. Both people who had it fixed out of pocket, and people who had the recall done and they found missing or loose bolts.

I would certainly expect age and mileage to increase the chances of it happening. MOST of the affected cars were recalled already for this, but bafflingly BMW skipped some years and models, like my '11 e91, even though other '11s were covered in the previous recall a number of years ago.

If your car is already done, there should be a round silver and black sticker on the driver's door jamb with a code on it that corresponds to the recall. If you have one you can google the code stamped in the middle of it to figure out what it was for. For example 86310 is for the blower motor wiring harness. Someone who has had the bolts done can post what the code is for that recall.
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