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06-24-2008, 04:16 PM | #23 | |
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The accusations being tossed around are relatively serious and if were true, could cost Dinan not only their reputation but potentially land them in a court system just itching to make an example out of someone. I really doubt they'd ante up and go all in on the n54 after all of these years. But, I may be wrong. Is it not possible that the numbers appear low for other reasons? Really, I'm not trying to be argumentative but trying to facilitate other ideas than Dinan lying. Shiv, I believe you to be an expert...what do you feel might be happening aside from Dinan screwing people? |
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06-24-2008, 05:37 PM | #28 | |
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You want to ask Shiv about Dinan? How about we ask Terry about Shiv?
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06-24-2008, 05:38 PM | #29 |
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Free advice: You make a very good product. Why not let it, and your customer service do the talking for your company instead of constantly injecting yourself into Dinan dyno threads to pimp your Piggy? You're making some pretty serious charges against Dinan without much to back them up.
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06-24-2008, 05:43 PM | #30 |
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As GB pointed out, you're not going to get an unbiased answer from Shiv. I believe someone from the dyno shop in Chicago already chimed in and stated the conditions that day weren't very dyno friendly. Everybody was reading low. Again, the average dyno is a tool to show relative gains, not a tool to show absolute hp.
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06-24-2008, 05:49 PM | #32 | |
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I have no allegiance to anyone here but am interested in factual declarations rather than competitive rants. It's easy for me to find fault in my competitors modus operandi and shout it to the world but much more difficult to keep it in context and validate that same claim. Eveyone has a fault. Put simply, f'ing prove it or shut up. Either way, I don't care because I know neither Steve Dinan or Shiv. I just want to know the truth. And, I can handle the truth! |
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06-24-2008, 05:52 PM | #33 | |
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http://www.e90post.com/forums/showth...icago+dyno+day Looked like Dinan did ok... |
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06-24-2008, 05:55 PM | #34 | |
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I get phone calls asking how much power our PROcede makes on an otherwise stock car. I tell them about 380bhp at the least. More if conditions are reasonably good. To me, 380bhp is 345-350whp. Then I'm told that Dinan makes 385bhp, which is more. I explain if that is the case, we must make 420bhp using that same "logic". Fortunately, I say that as a joke because I'm not really into lying to potential customers. Unfortunately, other companies have no problem doing just this. So it's not enough just to let our product and FACTs speak for themselves in a world where the uninformed are so easily manipulated and brain-washed by BS claims that have no basis in reality, perceived or measured. If anyone wants to argue with facts and actual data, that's great. It's will be to the benefit of any reader, regardless of what their conclusions are. But if someone wants to defend their purchase blindly, present no emperical data to support their argument, and name call those who bring up the issue, they should stay logged off and let the big boys talk. Shiv |
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Let me know when you find it
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Bubbles, Am I way off base thinking that the original flash was misleading based on the press release and then all of a sudden thier exhaust is required to achieve thier advertised HP numbers? I am not trying to start anything, I am usally very unbiased torwards any tune. I just thought that it was worth mentioning to get others opinion.
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06-24-2008, 06:15 PM | #38 |
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By Dinan's own published data show the RWHP with thier exhaust should be 350 rwhp and 342 rwhp with just a tune only, unfortunately peoples published results do not seem to be anywhere near that.
It sucks to go to the Dyno expecting at least 350rwhp and only seeing 312rwhp this is why its so important to get a before dyno so you only look at the gains. |
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06-24-2008, 06:18 PM | #39 |
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lets wait and see when winter falls and its freezing outside how the numbers look.
if you've existed in boost heritage all your life you damn well know this crap gas and hot season is the worst time of ownership. hell i'd never own a turbo if i could only drive it in the summer (ATL). It's winter time when the fun really begins. fwiw my stage 1+ apr makes about +0whp in this hot temperature and about 40ft/lb peak torque gain (small turbos make an inverted torque curve) but in winter that goes up to about +40whp and +90wft/lb beause the heatsoak kills. This 10% ethanol which is going to increase no matter what is about as assy as the oxygenated 91 that california folks had back in the days. do you think dinan really imports 93 octane to morgan-hill to rock out? i can understand fresh 100 octane but there's no science to rolling your own octane and throwing a chip out. It's pretty clear that folks who are de-tuning their map aggressiveness on their piggybacks are getting more power; that says something about the initial design. Why would you design a piggyback that requires you to detune it in summer to make more power? Oh perhaps they forgot to pull timing enough using the AIT/Coolant sensor in the first place? Or perhaps something has changed around the world (heat,effective octane) that is just making power suck. Wouldn't suprise me if they took a can of R134a/co2/nitrous and hit the intercooler to get a good dyno to sell numbers (and i'm talking about everyone). Give it some time to cool off to winter, you'll get your power back. It's been the same way for me for the last 10 years between supercharged and turbo (and twin-charged). Nice thing about all motor its consistent even when you hotlap it. had alot of fun with the LS1 could run 20 hotlaps with zero staging time and click off the same numbers(automatic) every run. I wouldn't even go there with the 335i as i don't think running oil near shear temp (275 for most synthetics) at 15K interval is sane.
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06-24-2008, 06:28 PM | #41 |
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I have Dinan stage II flash and here were my numbers:
Dyno Run 1: 328.2rwhp; 349.2rwtq Dyno Run 2: 328.9rwhp; 359.4rwtq Dyno Run 3: 323.6rwhp; 361.5rwtq These numbers are higher than the OP's (not sure why because I was on dynojet also). These numbers are on par with Dinan's claim of 380hp and 420ftlb. Just to round: 330rwhp = .868 x 380hp = 13.2% drivetrain loss (acceptable) 360rwtq = .857 x 420tq = 14.3% drivetrain loss (acceptable) And note, these numbers were done in 99F, 25% humidity weather. I think it's a little premature to say that Dinan is "sketchy" and imply that they are lying about their figures without more information. Do you really think Dinan would become the success they have on a foundation of lies? Do you really think you're the first one to question and check their numbers?
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06-24-2008, 06:31 PM | #42 |
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Possibly in Dinan's defense, I do recall reading that they have a well equiped dyno with fans to simulate highway speeds. If so, the numbers on less adequate dynos would show lower.
That said, put one of the other tunes on Dinan's dyno and we would see noticeably higher numbers. My car might make 375 WHP with just the tune. |
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06-24-2008, 06:39 PM | #44 | |
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365rwhp = .868 x 421hp = 13.2% drivetrain loss 380rwtq = .857 x 443trq = 14.3% drivetrain loss Time for Shiv to do some new marketing for V3. V3 and dual cones offer 420 crank hp and 440 crank trq.... |
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