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      05-28-2022, 12:23 PM   #133
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I have a G80 on order and was told a few weeks ago it will probably be a '23. If that's the case, then I'll tell them it's at '22 price or goodbye. I suspect they'll happily say goodbye. But by late fall when they can't sell it, they'll be back.
They definitely sell by then, don't see this market getting any different.
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I ordered a CT5-V Blackwing March '21. I'm still first on the list at my dealer but the 2 allocations they received for the 22 MY were ordered for stock so they could mark them up.

Now the '23 has a $7k bump to the base price plus the most popular options went up too. My $112k 2022 Blackwing is now $126k for the 2023 model.

I ordered my M5C in July of last year and took delivery in January. Looks like I'll be keeping it, it's a better car for a daily anyway.
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      05-28-2022, 01:33 PM   #135
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Plenty of models priced in $35k range makes bmw seem like a bargain compared to Tesla.
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      05-28-2022, 02:05 PM   #136
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The M4CSL starts at $139k..?

Hey BMW, if you need extra cash, just build 10,000 units instead of 1,000. I'm sure they will sell.

I need to get a signed copy of this so I can justify a salary increase. Everything has changed except that. 😩
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      05-28-2022, 03:14 PM   #137
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Yeah let's not forget all Incentives are gone

So a $77,000 M3 in 2019-2020 was actually like $70,000
Now it's $82,000 no discounts

So that's 12,000 increase to actual customer paid price or 17%
Providing it's not over msrp. And if you lease the dealer isn't marking up the product.

In 12 months we will be in a recession and the m3 will be on a dealers lot.

I saw this in 2008 on the e90 m3 during the Great Recession.
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      05-28-2022, 03:18 PM   #138
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Man, that M3 convertible was expensive already - my build was 92k and now it's 95k. I remember the good days when it was "only" 72k loaded.

We got lucky buying our cars when we did- before the price hikes and when our used cars were worth more than we paid for them, and dealers were a bit desperate.

It is what it is
For sure, we got lucky. I see it as the reward for being first movers on cars people were unsure about first and generally just criticizing.

I took delivery of an M4 (xDrive) and a X5 45e in 2021. Got decent to great prices on the cars that were replaced. Got $1k over invoice for the X5 and MSRP for the M4. The portion of the cars financed came at 0.9% which is a steal.

Missed the super long waitlists (5 months E2E for the M4, 2-3 months for the X5). Benefited from the high used car prices. Sold some stock at peak prices to dump into the cars. Didn't get any significant decontenting in either car (only wireless charger on M4). No price hikes or ADM, and got discounts on one car instead. Epic low interest rates. And most importantly (even though it doesn't affect the M4 yet), no dealing with the stupid iDrive 8 system.
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For sure, we got lucky. I see it as the reward for being first movers on cars people were unsure about first and generally just criticizing.

I took delivery of an M4 (xDrive) and a X5 45e in 2021. Got decent to great prices on the cars that were replaced. Got $1k over invoice for the X5 and MSRP for the M4. The portion of the cars financed came at 0.9% which is a steal.

Missed the super long waitlists (5 months E2E for the M4, 2-3 months for the X5). Benefited from the high used car prices. Sold some stock at peak prices to dump into the cars. Didn't get any significant decontenting in either car (only wireless charger on M4). No price hikes or ADM, and got discounts on one car instead. Epic low interest rates. And most importantly (even though it doesn't affect the M4 yet), no dealing with the stupid iDrive 8 system.

Same here. So happy i went through the trials and tribulations of waiting 9 months for my car. But at least I got it for below 👇🏿 msrp.
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everything seems to be getting more and more expensive these days. Sucks
Well what did you think would happen when you print 7 trillion dollars to just give it to people so they can sit at home for two years. Something had to give.

Add to that supply disruptions, and an idiot who thinks he can restore Russian empire in slightly different borders and threatens world with nuclear war as US looked weak leaving Afghanistan, you have a funny lookin world. Thats energy prices... and food... and all else in between. Thank putin.

Fret not, there is a recession on the way the way things are looking, which will take care of all these imbalances a bit. But not nice times, the next decade looks like.

Also, BMW look uglier AND price is higher. good luck..

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everything seems to be getting more and more expensive these days. Sucks
Well what did you think would happen when you print 7 trillion dollars to just give it to people so they can sit at home for two years. Something had to give.

Add to that supply disruptions, and an idiot who thinks he can restore Russian empire in slightly different borders and threatens world with nuclear war as US looked weak leaving Afghanistan, you have a funny lookin world. Thats energy prices... and food... and all else in between. Thank putin.

Fret not, there is a recession on the way the way things are looking, which will take care of all these imbalances a bit. But not nice times, the next decade looks like.

Also, BMW look uglier AND price is higher. good luck..
It literally had nothing to do with Putin, but ok. Keep drinking that herd juice.
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It literally had nothing to do with Putin, but ok. Keep drinking that herd juice.
Dont think "literally" means what you think it means.
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      05-29-2022, 04:29 AM   #143
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In the pricing for the options? They did not show the shadowline price, hope it’s still $400 or standard lol. And the adaptive suspension is now $950? I thought it was $700 for the 2022 or am I missing something?
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      05-29-2022, 08:14 AM   #144
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For those of us who are leasing MY 2022 M3/M4 models the car will probably now have a higher market residual value than the lease buy out. Personally, I would buy out the lease, sell to a third party and use the profit to offset the next lease purchase. I might start a new business to provide this liquid cash funding now that BMWFS is prohibiting 3rd party lease buyouts, but there is always a way around the system.
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For those of us who are leasing MY 2022 M3/M4 models the car will probably now have a higher market residual value than the lease buy out. Personally, I would buy out the lease, sell to a third party and use the profit to offset the next lease purchase. I might start a new business to provide this liquid cash funding now that BMWFS is prohibiting 3rd party lease buyouts, but there is always a way around the system.
Does that mean you can no longer do " Swapalease" and take over someone's payments ?
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      05-29-2022, 08:32 AM   #145
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For those of us who are leasing MY 2022 M3/M4 models the car will probably now have a higher market residual value than the lease buy out. Personally, I would buy out the lease, sell to a third party and use the profit to offset the next lease purchase. I might start a new business to provide this liquid cash funding now that BMWFS is prohibiting 3rd party lease buyouts, but there is always a way around the system.
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For those of us who are leasing MY 2022 M3/M4 models the car will probably now have a higher market residual value than the lease buy out. Personally, I would buy out the lease, sell to a third party and use the profit to offset the next lease purchase. I might start a new business to provide this liquid cash funding now that BMWFS is prohibiting 3rd party lease buyouts, but there is always a way around the system.
Does that mean you can no longer do " Swapalease" and take over someone's payments ?
No, totally different, as with swap a lease the title remains with BMW FS. People were getting a 3rd party check from CarMax or Carvana to buy out the lease. Car was going to a 3rd party instead of staying within the BMW dealership circle.
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3700 $ base price increase with less useful buttons and horrible glued on top IPads let alone the increase on most options my build would be likely 7000$ more I was at 91K build but for the same in 2023 it will be around 100K

Glad my outdated 2022 M3 x drive will be dropped and VPC in few days.
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      05-29-2022, 11:48 AM   #147
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Will I pay the lower or higher price?

I "ordered" my iX M60 two months ago through the dealer but do not yet have a production number. There are three people ahead of me. At the time I put in my order the dealer said that would protect me against future markups. Yesterday he told me the opposite, that I would have to pay the higher price even though I have a sheet at the time of order specifying the prices.

In fact, the BMW web site doesn't reflect these price increases either when you build your vehicle and are provided with a build code.

If BMW doesn't honor the price at the time of order that would be really bad corporate behavior considering every other EV brand that I've ordered—Tesla and Ford—the pricing is locked in at the time of order. How can BMW not be the same way?

I don't appreciate this type of a BS from BMW.
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      05-29-2022, 12:08 PM   #148
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If BMW doesn't honor the price at the time of order that would be really bad corporate behavior considering every other EV brand that I've ordered—Tesla and Ford—the pricing is locked in at the time of order. How can BMW not be the same way?
I ordered an 2022 M3 Comp XDrive last december. In January there was an allocation for it to be built in June this year. I changed my mind and got a new Z4 which was (luckily!) available now. The dealership kept the order and someone else took that spot. A few weeks ago I was told I would have not got my M3 because the allocations/sales were cancelled by BMW. Now they have to re-order for 2023 models at higher prices.

Same probably would have happened with Z4. Higher price, lower lease residual... More expensive overall.

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I "ordered" my iX M60 two months ago through the dealer but do not yet have a production number. There are three people ahead of me. At the time I put in my order the dealer said that would protect me against future markups. Yesterday he told me the opposite, that I would have to pay the higher price even though I have a sheet at the time of order specifying the prices.

In fact, the BMW web site doesn't reflect these price increases either when you build your vehicle and are provided with a build code.

If BMW doesn't honor the price at the time of order that would be really bad corporate behavior considering every other EV brand that I've ordered—Tesla and Ford—the pricing is locked in at the time of order. How can BMW not be the same way?

I don't appreciate this type of a BS from BMW.
Ford pricing isn't locked in at time of order. I just went through some shit looking at the Mach E and couldn't even get a reply from Ford Corporate. Fine print says its UP TO THE DEALER for final pricing.
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Ford pricing isn't locked in at time of order. I just went through some shit looking at the Mach E and couldn't even get a reply from Ford Corporate. Fine print says its UP TO THE DEALER for final pricing.
It's entirely appropriate for the pricing to be up to the dealer. That's who you're buying the car from!
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Plenty of models priced in $35k range makes bmw seem like a bargain compared to Tesla.
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As long as you don't mind a front-wheel-drive MINI with BMW badges on it.
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Well what did you think would happen when you print 7 trillion dollars to just give it to people so they can sit at home for two years. Something had to give.

Add to that supply disruptions, and an idiot who thinks he can restore Russian empire in slightly different borders and threatens world with nuclear war as US looked weak leaving Afghanistan, you have a funny lookin world. Thats energy prices... and food... and all else in between. Thank putin.

Fret not, there is a recession on the way the way things are looking, which will take care of all these imbalances a bit. But not nice times, the next decade looks like.

Also, BMW look uglier AND price is higher. good luck..
Yikes man. I hope you get better.
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everything seems to be getting more and more expensive these days. Sucks
Well what did you think would happen when you print 7 trillion dollars to just give it to people so they can sit at home for two years. Something had to give.

Add to that supply disruptions, and an idiot who thinks he can restore Russian empire in slightly different borders and threatens world with nuclear war as US looked weak leaving Afghanistan, you have a funny lookin world. Thats energy prices... and food... and all else in between. Thank putin.

Fret not, there is a recession on the way the way things are looking, which will take care of all these imbalances a bit. But not nice times, the next decade looks like.

Also, BMW look uglier AND price is higher. good luck..
It literally had nothing to do with Putin, but ok. Keep drinking that herd juice.
BMW and many car manufacturers had production in Ukraine. Last I checked, Putin had something to do with it. Unless you're only watching FoxNews (herd juice ?). LOL

https://www.just-auto.com/analysis/u...kraine-crisis/

The US has been printing money for years now…take a look at the deficits…all that printing is taking a toll.

https://www.thebalance.com/us-deficit-by-year-3306306
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