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Has anyone contacted BMW regarding 29.2 and lag?
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11-15-2008, 07:48 AM | #2751 | |
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11-15-2008, 07:20 PM | #2753 |
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After so many pages of distillation, how do we proceed?
Would a petition to BMW, formally announced, and also presented to international media sources, be a good course of action? I think the illumination of this issue is the biggest leverage we may have. |
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11-15-2008, 09:16 PM | #2755 |
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Hey all. Just read about the motorbild article. If that is accurate then things could get busy around the dealerships in the us very soon. I already emailed some people to let them know about it.
I am a little spun from dealing with the stealer yesterday and being told I close my hood the wrong way and thats why my hood is bent. Is the article saaying that BMW is basically going to put the ecu back to a pre 29.2 condition? THat is what I got from what I read but wanted to verify that I am not missing something.
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11-15-2008, 10:12 PM | #2756 |
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Just keep pressing this issue to your dealership and most of all your rep at BMWNA. We are only a small part of the 335 community so the more of us that make some noise the better. I make several phone calls a week and I encourage all of you to do the same until this is resolved. This is encouraging news that we have heard this past weekend but who knows what will really happen and most importantly how long it will take for BMW to provide resolution.
On a side note can someone please PM me or post a link to this motorbild article. I need to send this to my reps. |
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11-15-2008, 11:39 PM | #2757 | |
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Reading comprehension assistance: MSD81's DO have lag in comparison to pre-29.2, but it is less noticeable. Those MY08 owners who read carefully and reported accurate results, clearly had symptoms of lag, albeit more subdued than that which was experienced by us MY07 owners. I already have new turbos and new wastegates, but still have The Lag. I am wondering if this new software fix will bump me to the old standard (300 lb ft from 1400 upward) or the new standard (1700 upward.) Not to mention the fact that the new turbos still rattle and the exhaust still sounds like shit. Growing unhappier and more disillusioned every day this is not fixed... |
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11-16-2008, 05:36 AM | #2758 | ||
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BTW: MY08 had MSD80 until 03/08. Mine has. Quote:
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11-16-2008, 07:05 AM | #2759 |
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As I mentioned HERE... I can´t feel any difference on the new car produced in september/oktober -08 vs my old car that where produced in june -07. Good and imediate power when i´m hitting the accelerator. Both cars are manual transmission ones. Though the new car is a little little smoother at 1000-1500 rpm, where the old one tended to jerk a little. Also the new one is very quiet...
Sincerely Marcus
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11-16-2008, 11:32 AM | #2760 | |
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See, I think part of the "rattle" is actually caused by 29.2. I had no signs of rattle before the update, and then suddenly I got an overall metallic sounding exhaust note and these clanking and cranking sounds. The one consistent factor since then: the software. |
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11-16-2008, 11:40 PM | #2761 |
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I am taking my car for service this week. Squeak at low speed and oil change is due.
I am on 30.0.2, last time when I complaint about turbo lag I was given the standard answer that technician test drove and there is no error code found so car is working as designed. I am taking my car to a different location (same dealer) this time. Any suggestion on what should I say so that atleast they can look into it. I don't what to mention the word "turbo lag". How about car hesitates when I pushing gas from stop. Anything you guys can suggest that might help me getting the 31.1 which I guess slightly improved the lag issue. Thanks |
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11-17-2008, 12:04 AM | #2762 |
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Good luck getting an update munu. I just tried doing that on Friday and failed. The car does not throw a code nor can the techs feel the bloody lag... Thus no update. The sa mentioned I could pay for the update but didn't want me to do it.
Good luck, but don't hold your breath. Last edited by shaddai; 11-17-2008 at 11:06 AM.. Reason: stupid iPhone auto correcting keyboard - "Thus" is a word dammit! |
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11-17-2008, 11:04 AM | #2763 |
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I would not bother paying for v31, wait for v32 and see if it provides the promised fix.
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11-17-2008, 11:05 AM | #2764 | |
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11-17-2008, 12:06 PM | #2765 |
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Here the autobild article:
http://rapidshare.de/files/40932182/autobild.pdf.html |
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11-17-2008, 12:12 PM | #2766 |
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Here the file in another location
Please help if filehosting is wrong... http://www.gofileshare.com/download.php?id=F29900E7 |
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11-17-2008, 12:43 PM | #2767 |
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Mr. 5 has an interesting thread in which he describes how to tighten the actuator rod to eliminate the rattling. But his experience with pre- and post- PROGMAN 29.x indicates a different pattern of rattling, with the pre- versions resulting in the deceleration rattle (rev in neutral to 3k and let off gas and buzzzz). Now I am confused. I took my car in with the wastegate rattle last spring -- early April -- and I was pretty certain that they PROGMANed me. Ticking was gone for a while, but returned, and is clearly noticeable now when I rev and let off. I assumed that I got PROGMAN 29.x -- I noticed a slight power loss, pretty much across the board, but no special lag at low rpm. But from Mr.5's description, it sounds like I still have a pre-29 version. I clearly have the open wastegate farty exhaust sound, and the rattle on deceleration.
Now I am thinking that what I might have lost was my initial hot tune, but got 28.x ??? Regardless, I am waiting to have my actuators replaced when 32.x is released next month.
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11-17-2008, 12:54 PM | #2768 |
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Stress and others, here's my take on the 29.2 "cure" for the wg's which might help explain how/why you WERE likely 29.2'd and yet have rattling again. We all know that 29.2 was a halfassed BANDAID of a fix for a real hardware problem. Essentially, it was putting a piece of chewing gum onto a pipe with a leak. Yeah, it works right away, and seems to fix the problem on the surface (no more pipe leak/no more wg rattle), HOWEVER, behind the "fix" the REAL cause of the problem is actually WORSENING. That hole behind the chewing gum is still corroding way and getting bigger. Eventually, the gum can't fix it anymore and there's a worse leak than ever. I speculate that, while 29.2 did mask the initial rattling, the wastegates' rods continue to operate, of course, under normal driving, just not in such a "stressed" manner as before 29.2. Wear and tear is still occuring and the rods are moving in and out, loosening up the nut on the rod. By the time it is loose enough to rattle WITH 29.2, it is REALLY loose. Hope this makes sense.
You know, it still hurts my head that I swear BMW could have just taken friggin blue LOK-TITE and fixed all of this mess with $0.15 in material and $20 in labor by simply painting the rod threads with it and re-tightening the nut on the rod. |
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11-17-2008, 12:56 PM | #2769 |
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11-17-2008, 03:04 PM | #2770 |
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I think there is more to the problem than the adjustment on the actuator rod loosening.
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11-17-2008, 08:02 PM | #2771 |
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I think I'm one of the "original 6".
My 24mo lease is up and I'm returning my car at 8am tomorrow. I was going to order a 2009 335i...but, screw 'em. Yesterday, I bought a Jeep for the winter. IMHO, BMW deserves to lose a lot of customers over the way they have handled this issue...they've given me every reason to believe they're a bunch of douchebags. I want to say some other foul things, but I'm a grown-up and should know better |
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