[AWSAWS]

Bound to spark a massive heated debate but here goes.

A FBO JB4 and water meth injection equipped E9x 335i (so in the range of 500HP) vs a stock E9x M3 around the Nurburgring,

which would get the better time?

Lets say the 335i has no suspension changes.

If an LSD and suspension was then added. Would the 335 actually be any quicker around the track?

[djgandy]

Depends who's driving.

A 500hp 335 will easily beat stock M3, until you get limp mode :P

[windymissile]

The M will hammer the 335 in the corners (crap stock suspension) and so put in a quicker lap. If you have suspension mods and a diff, the ball is in the other court. The 335i will corner as quick and pull harder out of the corners due to the low down grunt.
When you going?

WM

[AWSAWS]

I've seen a good video of an M5 following a 335i. Don't know what the mods on the car are though.
It was interesting to read that the 1M would have been expected to go around in a quicker time with softer suspension.

[Digitalize]

If the 335i just had engine mods, the M3 would destroy it, due to better suspension and brake setup. Handling is king at the ring.

[djgandy]

Originally Posted by Digitalize

If the 335i just had engine mods, the M3 would destroy it, due to better suspension and brake setup. Handling is king at the ring.

+200hp is a lot of extra power. The ring has a lot of straight as well as bends.

I'm a little surprised the 1M is only 11 seconds faster than the 335i, despite 10% hp and 10% less weight.

Better driver maybe?

[AWSAWS]

Originally Posted by Digitalize

If the 335i just had engine mods, the M3 would destroy it, due to better suspension and brake setup. Handling is king at the ring.

Not sure I'd agree, but I can't prove either way.

[AWSAWS]

Originally Posted by djgandy

+200hp is a lot of extra power. The ring has a lot of straight as well as bends.

I'm a little surprised the 1M is only 11 seconds faster than the 335i, despite 10% hp and 10% less weight.

Better driver maybe?

Things like tyres are also a big factor. 1M maybe didn't have great tyres?

[djgandy]

Originally Posted by AWSAWS

Things like tyres are also a big factor. 1M maybe didn't have great tyres?

Maybe, but doubt they were worse than what a 335i was running back in 06 :P

But then again, the 1M is 10 seconds off the M3, which is about right really as it has a lot less power.

And given what we know about 335's being underrated, the 335 was probably closer to hp than the 1M anyway, which may explain why the gap is not so big.

If you are really pushing 500hp and have a speed limiter delete, I don't see the M3 having a chance. Even American muscle cars with no handling can out run an M3 with that power. The M3 has a better handling package, but it still has the most problematic thing which is weight.

I'm not sure where fastestlaps gets their info from all cars. Some of them look very suspect.

For example:
http://fastestlaps.com/cars/chevrolet_camaro_z28.html
vs
http://fastestlaps.com/cars/mclaren_650s_spider.html

Seems a little bit unliekly that a 650s can only be 2 seconds faster with 150 more hp and 250kgs less weight!

[AWSAWS]

Originally Posted by djgandy

Maybe, but doubt they were worse than what a 335i was running back in 06 :P

But then again, the 1M is 10 seconds off the M3, which is about right really as it has a lot less power.

And given what we know about 335's being underrated, the 335 was probably closer to hp than the 1M anyway, which may explain why the gap is not so big.

If you are really pushing 500hp and have a speed limiter delete, I don't see the M3 having a chance. Even American muscle cars with no handling can out run an M3 with that power. The M3 has a better handling package, but it still has the most problematic thing which is weight.

I'm not sure where fastestlaps gets their info from all cars. Some of them look very suspect.

For example:
http://fastestlaps.com/cars/chevrolet_camaro_z28.html
vs
http://fastestlaps.com/cars/mclaren_650s_spider.html

Seems a little bit unliekly that a 650s can only be 2 seconds faster with 150 more hp and 250kgs less weight!

Yes I think the car that goes around the ring (and gets the official time) is nothing like what you buy in the showroom. Great tyres, great driver, excess bits left off etc. Probably race fuel.

[zltm089]

Possibly someone like Marcel can comment? He had a very fast 335i with all the goodies...

The new type r is smashing lap times at the ring with only 300bhp and being fwd.

Would be good to see a comparison with all the new super hot hatches pushing close to 400bhp...

[Sparky68]

Better braking and cornering of the M3 even with less power and TQ would result in better lap times.

[Jim1985]

Wouldnt lap times also depend heavily on traffic and the size of the driver's balls...

[Nick the Greek]

Given there are now speed limits on sections of "the ring", we'll never know for sure

[Jim1985]

Even on touristfahrten days? I thought that was just 250kph for the races?

[Nick the Greek]

Originally Posted by Jim1985

Even on touristfahrten days? I thought that was just 250kph for the races?

No.

It's an absolute limit.

Koingsegggggggg wanted to get a time for their latest creation. But with the 250kph limit and their data telling them the car would pull 300 kph, cancelled it.

Looks like no more "ring times".

[Raymonndo]

M3 all day!

335i with stock handling wouldn't get near it.

Providing they were the same driver in both cars I'd say M3.

[windymissile]

There has been speed limits on the 'Ring for as long as I can remember. They were previously not enforced/monitored.
Recent development have led the owners to apply these limits and some new ones, and enforce them (only once has anyone had a speed limit enforced upon them so far) temporarily. At the moment this is a TEMPORARY measure until a decision has been made about the safety of the spectators at certain parts of the track.
Dale always had a good insight and is very knowledgeable on all things 'Ring.
http://www.bridgetogantry.com/nurbur...e-of-the-mess/

WM

[AWSAWS]

Is an e90 335i comparable to an e92 335i in handling? Does one handle better than the other?

[Jim1985]

This is me talking out my ass but it'd it's anything like the e36 the sedan will be slightly stiffer ergo better handling.

[AWSAWS]

I think I'm going to have to drive an M3 to see if I notice any difference to my 335i handling wise.

I'll probably end up fitting M3 suspensions parts after

[SteveC]

An otherwise standard 500 bhp 335 would also have huge torque and would constitute a very unbalanced car with speed to easily over power brakes, suspension and traction.

Compared to a standard M3 it would start off well for the 335 which would pull out a lead from the start and on every straight, but the M3 would catch up about midway around the lap once the 335's brakes had started to fade and its driver had stopped for fresh underpants.