BMW Performance Power Kit now available for N54 engines (part #'s, price and diagram)

lsdless · 08-08-2009, 03:12 PM

I am trading my 335i for a 135i in a year or so and I will order it with this kit. I think it will make the car mean without overdoing it. Then I won't have anything to hide. It won't be the fastest 1er but it will be reliable and backed by BMW. I'm glad they are doing something as opposed to nothing.

rubber_ducky · 08-09-2009, 09:51 AM

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Originally Posted by Alpina_B3_Lux

Because your DME needs to be updated. They can only do this on the MDS81 - so those who don't have the newer model will have to upgrade theirs.

Alpina_B3_Lux

How else does having an MDS81 affect the car? Any idea?

stressdoc · 08-09-2009, 10:31 AM

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Originally Posted by rubber_ducky

How else does having an MDS81 affect the car? Any idea?

Good Q. There are issues here -- including FASTA monitoring -- that I'm hoping knowledgeable folks like Scalbert & Shiv might help with.

cstavaru · 08-09-2009, 02:00 PM

So for guys with MSD80...there is a good side of this increased price: the dealer will be forced to replace your MSD80 with MSD81, leaving you the owner of a spare MSD80 ECU (I don't think you can buy an ECU and go to dealer and replace it if your current one is not faulty). You can flash this spare ECU with a more powerful flash tune, and switch the ECU's at will or between dealer visits (of course, you will pay big money but you will have the warranty...). So you will have the most invisible tune

stressdoc · 08-09-2009, 02:30 PM

But the old MSD80 wouldn't have the proper code for the cooling stuff.

cstavaru · 08-09-2009, 02:43 PM

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Originally Posted by stressdoc

But the old MSD80 wouldn't have the proper code for the cooling stuff.

What code ? The cooling stuff is just a bigger fan and an expanded water circuit, all mechanical. I think the water pump works based on the water temperature, so I don't think any code is needed for the new parts. Maybe the water pump speed is increased a bit as per Dinan, but with the old ECU it would work as before, with the added benefit of lower water temperatures.

rubber_ducky · 08-09-2009, 04:16 PM

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Originally Posted by cstavaru

So for guys with MSD80...there is a good side of this increased price: the dealer will be forced to replace your MSD80 with MSD81, leaving you the owner of a spare MSD80 ECU (I don't think you can buy an ECU and go to dealer and replace it if your current one is not faulty). You can flash this spare ECU with a more powerful flash tune, and switch the ECU's at will or between dealer visits (of course, you will pay big money but you will have the warranty...). So you will have the most invisible tune

I wonder if BMW USA will give the MSD80 EUCs to the customer. Something tells me they'll keep it as a core charge or something.

Lotus99 · 08-09-2009, 04:56 PM

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Originally Posted by cstavaru

In Europe the cars are much more expensive than in the US. Its almost like 1EUR = 1$. I suppose the US translation of the Euro price is more like 1600-2000$.

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Originally Posted by BES335xi

Live rates at 2009.08.07 13:15:54 UTC
1,600.00 EUR = 2,292.41 USD
Euro United States Dollars
1 EUR = 1.43276 USD 1 USD = 0.697955 EUR

damn ALMOST 3K for 20hp....GL!

It's called relative cost of living... that's what he's trying to say. So the kit should hopefully come in here at a lower price. Otherwise, if your argument was valid and all you gotta do is take a Euro price and multiply it by the current exchange rate, then why doesn't BMW sell their cars here for a much higher amount?

cstavaru · 08-13-2009, 05:41 AM

Found out the price in Romania...1600EUR (VAT included). The kit can be ordered ! I will order tomorrow most probably.

cstavaru · 08-14-2009, 08:45 AM

Ordered the kit ! I will keep you updated on this and I will hopefully be the first on the forum to review and dyno it

vgame64 · 08-14-2009, 09:02 AM

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Originally Posted by cstavaru

Ordered the kit ! I will keep you updated on this and I will hopefully be the first on the forum to review and dyno it

Thanks cstavaru!

Alpina_B3_Lux · 08-14-2009, 09:22 AM

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Originally Posted by cstavaru

Ordered the kit ! I will keep you updated on this and I will hopefully be the first on the forum to review and dyno it

In the German forums one member had it installed today and has already posted his first impressions. Here is also a photo under the hood of what it looks like (partly). In summary he felt the car was definitely faster, in particular more torque available in low revs (he has an AT and so got the whole 450 Nm). More fun to drive, but didn't feel as if it were another car (i.e. substantially more power), the output was still very linear. Costs were 1800 EUR (install included, no change of DME necessary).

Alpina_B3_Lux

rubber_ducky · 08-14-2009, 09:24 AM

So curious what this will cost in the U.S.

MuchMoore · 08-14-2009, 01:01 PM

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Originally Posted by rubber_ducky

So curious what this will cost in the U.S.

+1

More pics!

ebeem · 08-14-2009, 03:57 PM

I`d rather get a flash + the Tuner`s warranty than wasting my money on power that would only be felt by a good deal of imagination and willpower

MuchMoore · 08-14-2009, 04:13 PM

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Originally Posted by ebeem

I`d rather get a flash + the Tuner`s warranty than wasting my money on power that would only be felt by a good deal of imagination and willpower

Im sure that 26hp/50 lb-ft is tangible change. Im pretty sure that no tuner will warranty anything on your car aside from their product...other than Dinan.

HighVoltage · 08-14-2009, 04:52 PM

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Originally Posted by ebeem

I`d rather get a flash + the Tuner`s warranty than wasting my money on power that would only be felt by a good deal of imagination and willpower

Its not about the power in my opinion. Its the updated cooling.

Cosmo335i · 08-14-2009, 07:26 PM

$1,795 is dealer retail

stressdoc · 08-14-2009, 11:20 PM

$1,795 will work.
And Tischer pricing is....
MSD80 vs. 81 ???

ebeem · 08-14-2009, 11:39 PM

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Originally Posted by MuchMoore

Im sure that 26hp/50 lb-ft is tangible change. Im pretty sure that no tuner will warranty anything on your car aside from their product...other than Dinan.

The big BMW Tuners like Hamann,Hartge etc. work together with special insurance companies and offer a Tuning + insurance on engine,tranny etc package

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Originally Posted by HighVoltage

Its not about the power in my opinion. Its the updated cooling.

yes,as a matter of fact the greatest gain of this mod is the updated cooling

But it is sold as a tune for more power and most of the people don`t really know or care about the cooling

MuchMoore · 08-15-2009, 12:22 AM

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Originally Posted by ebeem

The big BMW Tuners like Hamann,Hartge etc. work together with special insurance companies and offer a Tuning + insurance on engine,tranny etc package

We cant really benefit from that here in the US because the majority of their performance mods arent common/offered here.

S65V8 · 08-15-2009, 10:26 AM

Definitely a rip off for what you get. But I agree with earlier posts, it's aimed at people who don't got to forums, have unpainted side markers, and couldn't tell the difference between a 335 or a M3. I vote PROcede, but then again don't want the worry of voiding warranty or having to even think / deal with it.

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08-09-2009, 02:00 PM	#26
cstavaru Brigadier General 313 Rep 3,262 Posts Drives: 2009 335i M Sport Sedan 6MT Join Date: Aug 2008 Location: Bucharest, Romania iTrader: (0)	So for guys with MSD80...there is a good side of this increased price: the dealer will be forced to replace your MSD80 with MSD81, leaving you the owner of a spare MSD80 ECU (I don't think you can buy an ECU and go to dealer and replace it if your current one is not faulty). You can flash this spare ECU with a more powerful flash tune, and switch the ECU's at will or between dealer visits (of course, you will pay big money but you will have the warranty...). So you will have the most invisible tune __________________ Mods(click): Cobb + RB Turbos \| Aquamist HFS-4 Meth \| Drexler LSD \| Bilstein B12 Pro-Kit \| Custom K&N Apollo Intake \| Wagner Intercooler \| Macht Schnell Downpipes \| BMW Performance Power Kit \| BMW Performance Exhaust \| BMW Performance Short Shifter \| M3 Subframe Bushings \|
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08-09-2009, 02:30 PM	#27
stressdoc Moderator 618 Rep 10,855 Posts Drives: BMW i8; Toy 4runner TRD pro Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: Waco TX iTrader: (0)	But the old MSD80 wouldn't have the proper code for the cooling stuff. __________________ My recent ED photos: http://f80.bimmerpost.com/forums/sho....php?t=1026808 my not-so-recent ED: http://www.e90post.com/forums/showthread.php?t=31829 Please join BMWCCA http://bmwcca.org/index.php?pageid=c...&ref_by=300279
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08-13-2009, 05:41 AM	#31
cstavaru Brigadier General 313 Rep 3,262 Posts Drives: 2009 335i M Sport Sedan 6MT Join Date: Aug 2008 Location: Bucharest, Romania iTrader: (0)	Found out the price in Romania...1600EUR (VAT included). The kit can be ordered ! I will order tomorrow most probably. __________________ Mods(click): Cobb + RB Turbos \| Aquamist HFS-4 Meth \| Drexler LSD \| Bilstein B12 Pro-Kit \| Custom K&N Apollo Intake \| Wagner Intercooler \| Macht Schnell Downpipes \| BMW Performance Power Kit \| BMW Performance Exhaust \| BMW Performance Short Shifter \| M3 Subframe Bushings \|
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08-14-2009, 08:45 AM	#32
cstavaru Brigadier General 313 Rep 3,262 Posts Drives: 2009 335i M Sport Sedan 6MT Join Date: Aug 2008 Location: Bucharest, Romania iTrader: (0)	Ordered the kit ! I will keep you updated on this and I will hopefully be the first on the forum to review and dyno it __________________ Mods(click): Cobb + RB Turbos \| Aquamist HFS-4 Meth \| Drexler LSD \| Bilstein B12 Pro-Kit \| Custom K&N Apollo Intake \| Wagner Intercooler \| Macht Schnell Downpipes \| BMW Performance Power Kit \| BMW Performance Exhaust \| BMW Performance Short Shifter \| M3 Subframe Bushings \|
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08-14-2009, 09:24 AM	#35
rubber_ducky Colonel 386 Rep 2,989 Posts Drives: roach coach Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: boston-ish iTrader: (21)	So curious what this will cost in the U.S.
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ebeem First Lieutenant 16 Rep 329 Posts Drives: E93 335i M - Paket Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: Munich,Germany iTrader: (0)	I`d rather get a flash + the Tuner`s warranty than wasting my money on power that would only be felt by a good deal of imagination and willpower
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08-14-2009, 07:26 PM	#40
Cosmo335i Private First Class 1 Rep 144 Posts Drives: E92 & E70 Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: Monterey iTrader: (0)	$1,795 is dealer retail __________________ move to the right
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08-14-2009, 11:20 PM	#41
stressdoc Moderator 618 Rep 10,855 Posts Drives: BMW i8; Toy 4runner TRD pro Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: Waco TX iTrader: (0)	$1,795 will work. And Tischer pricing is.... MSD80 vs. 81 ??? __________________ My recent ED photos: http://f80.bimmerpost.com/forums/sho....php?t=1026808 my not-so-recent ED: http://www.e90post.com/forums/showthread.php?t=31829 Please join BMWCCA http://bmwcca.org/index.php?pageid=c...&ref_by=300279
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08-15-2009, 10:26 AM	#44
S65V8 _ 808 Rep 3,160 Posts Drives: ... Join Date: Apr 2009 Location: Los Angeles, CA iTrader: (10)	Definitely a rip off for what you get. But I agree with earlier posts, it's aimed at people who don't got to forums, have unpainted side markers, and couldn't tell the difference between a 335 or a M3. I vote PROcede, but then again don't want the worry of voiding warranty or having to even think / deal with it.
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