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      09-08-2010, 03:21 PM   #45
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Steve. stop talking about mpg. filth.
Youre right Matt, my apologies Hows your car....have you taken it in yet?
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For the fuel pump?

No. seems ok at the mo, i'm too busy to go in.

It only cranks more when a bit warm, a few hours after a good hoon. Stone cold, it starts on the button.
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Youve really given your car the full works - if i ever see a E90 335i with Alpina front spoiler pulling up behind me on the autobahn with Belgian plates i might pull over
What is the VMax on your car out of interest and what Bhp are you running at now????
Well, if it's got Belgian plates (they're red BTW) then you'll know it's not me and you don't need to pull over... My car's registered in Germany.

I haven't had the chance to really test the Vmax as I don't have the right Autobahn nearby (i.e. no speed limit, three lanes, no inclines, little traffic), most of those I drive on are unfortunately two lanes and in hilly terrain, rather twisting and with some traffic. I went up to 305 km/h on the speedo twice, but there's room for more as I ran out of straight road at that point.

Pursuant to the dyno I went on after getting the GIAC stage 2, I currently have 433hp and 677 Nm (crank). Once the methanol injection works properly, it should be around 450hp I guess, as the DME pulls timing in the upper rev range due to high IATs. We'll see!

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Well, if it's got Belgian plates (they're red BTW) then you'll know it's not me and you don't need to pull over... My car's registered in Germany.

I haven't had the chance to really test the Vmax as I don't have the right Autobahn nearby (i.e. no speed limit, three lanes, no inclines, little traffic), most of those I drive on are unfortunately two lanes and in hilly terrain, rather twisting and with some traffic. I went up to 305 km/h on the speedo twice, but there's room for more as I ran out of straight road at that point.

Pursuant to the dyno I went on after getting the GIAC stage 2, I currently have 433hp and 677 Nm (crank). Once the methanol injection works properly, it should be around 450hp I guess, as the DME pulls timing in the upper rev range due to high IATs. We'll see!

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450 bhp crank is very impressive - must pull like a freight train!
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450 bhp crank is very impressive - must pull like a freight train!
It's loads of fun to drive, I can assure you.

What's really cool is that due to the huge torque you get almost instant acceleration at any particular rev number, which is - for me - the biggest advantage in daily driving. With a natural aspirated car you can be just as quick, but not in the same gear. And although it's got loads of torque the engine does not suffer of the limited rev band of a diesel (such as the 335d) or the torque spikes that go along with these engines.

The M3 still is a fantastic engine, though!

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It's loads of fun to drive, I can assure you.

What's really cool is that due to the huge torque you get almost instant acceleration at any particular rev number, which is - for me - the biggest advantage in daily driving. With a natural aspirated car you can be just as quick, but not in the same gear. And although it's got loads of torque the engine does not suffer of the limited rev band of a diesel (such as the 335d) or the torque spikes that go along with these engines.

The M3 still is a fantastic engine, though!

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What are your long term plans for the car mate? Obviously with the amount of serious mods you have on your car i would imagine that it would be quite difficult to sell, or are you going to keep it indefinately?

Have you had many reliability issues since the car has been fully modded?

And lastly.....i would love to take your car for a spin, i would be really
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For the fuel pump?

No. seems ok at the mo, i'm too busy to go in.

It only cranks more when a bit warm, a few hours after a good hoon. Stone cold, it starts on the button.
Mines the other way round, long cranks (sometimes) when stone cold, starts almost before the button is fully depressed when warm!

Got individual character these motors havent they?

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PS, in for fuel pump software update on friday.
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450HP is good nice one!
414 is better than 450 any day of the week
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414 is better than 450 any day of the week
414 natural ponies versus 450 steroid pumped ponies maybe.....
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414 natural ponies versus 450 steroid pumped ponies maybe.....
I bet those steroid ponies feel good though.....
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Excellent write-up, a lot of great insight there and good writing skill.

Personally I feel no inclination to go for an Mtree for the "M3 factor". Interests me very little. A modded 335i for me very soon, I'd love to muller an M3 at the traffic lights or a drag race. It's all about being the quickest

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Excellent write-up, a lot of great insight there and good writing skill.

Personally I feel no inclination to go for an Mtree for the "M3 factor". Interests me very little. A modded 335i for me very soon, I'd love to muller an M3 at the traffic lights or a drag race. It's all about being the quickest

Love your choice of E90 M3 as you know.
Hi Sunny, i would recommend your first mod be an LSD if you want to be able to put the power down for your 'drag races'.
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Hi Sunny, i would recommend your first mod be an LSD if you want to be able to put the power down for your 'drag races'.
Without doubt. I've got the plans to do exactly what Tone has done to it really. Except I'll be going all black.
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Firstly I would like to say that this is a really good write up in particular the direct comparison between the two models based on personal experience.

Secondly before I get shot down in flames, yes the M3 is an awesome machine, however for me the price of an M3 is not justified.

If you consider the performance and economy of a 335i I'm sure forum members would universally agree there isn't anything that comes close. A car that will sprint to 60 in 5.5, with 306 bhp and which if driven sensibly, can produce 35mpg on a run or 25mpg around town. The servicing costs of a 335i are also substantially less. Then there is the VEL which considering the power, is in band J which is remarkable.

If I were to spend £53k on a motor, personally I would look at a used Aston V8 or a Nissan GTR. In my view these are far more striking vehicles with performance to match.

http://www.nissanusedcars.co.uk/richexperience#

https://used.astonmartin.com/en-GB/S...rice&Order=Asc

As I say, I am in no way knocking the M3 but faced with a decision of an Aston or an M3, having driven an Aston on a number of occasions, to me it's a no brainer. Its got to be an Aston Martin.

This isn't based on jealousy but more what you get for your money. In my view the 335i represents value for money whereas the M3 doesn't.

Please be gentle M3 owners it's only my opinion!
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Firstly I would like to say that this is a really good write up in particular the direct comparison between the two models based on personal experience.

Secondly before I get shot down in flames, yes the M3 is an awesome machine, however for me the price of an M3 is not justified.

If you consider the performance and economy of a 335i I'm sure forum members would universally agree there isn't anything that comes close. A car that will sprint to 60 in 5.5, with 306 bhp and which if driven sensibly, can produce 35mpg on a run or 25mpg around town. The servicing costs of a 335i are also substantially less. Then there is the VEL which considering the power, is in band J which is remarkable.

If I were to spend £53k on a motor, personally I would look at a used Aston V8 or a Nissan GTR. In my view these are far more striking vehicles with performance to match.

http://www.nissanusedcars.co.uk/richexperience#

https://used.astonmartin.com/en-GB/S...rice&Order=Asc

As I say, I am in no way knocking the M3 but faced with a decision of an Aston or an M3, having driven an Aston on a number of occasions, to me it's a no brainer. Its got to be an Aston Martin.

This isn't based on jealousy but more what you get for your money. In my view the 335i represents value for money whereas the M3 doesn't.

Please be gentle M3 owners it's only my opinion!

You can't compare buying a brand new car to a used car.....for the price of a new loaded 335i you could get a 2 year old 911 for example

As for the Aston Martin V8 - i agree that it is a beautiful car but it isn't as practical as an M3, it can't carry 4 (or even 5) in comfort and performs no better in acceleration or track times - it also costs new around 90K for a decent spec.......the price of a new M3 and a new 335i!

The fact that the M3 can compete with these types of cars in performance terms as well as being a more practical every day car shows how complete it is.
Of course the Aston looks much better and has that badge but apart from that the M3 holds its own ......IMO i would say for the performance on offer and the everyday useability the M3 is a bit of a bargain - just my opinion

By the way - the link to the Aston you posted is for the 380bhp version - the comparison below is with the AMV8 420bhp version.....and the M3 does quite well. Aston does look nicer though if thats your main priority.

http://www.fastestlaps.com/compariso...3_E92_DKG.html

Lets not turn this into a 335i v m3 thread, that was not the point at all - i have owned both cars and was just sharing my opinions of both.

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Remember the next M3 will be a turbocharged unit, so more akin to a tuned 335i drive nowadays, but with the added M3 special factor, be interesting to see how they keep the M sparkle though?

The current M3 is the last of the NA era, the M5/M6 V10 is no more (out of production for good) and the M3 V8 will be next for the chop.

Savour it while you can.

Give it a couple of years, I might buy an E90 V8 as a weekend car and keep it for good
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Remember the next M3 will be a turbocharged unit, so more akin to a tuned 335i drive nowadays, but with the added M3 special factor, be interesting to see how they keep the M sparkle though?

The current M3 is the last of the NA era, the M5/M6 V10 is no more (out of production for good) and the M3 V8 will be next for the chop.

Savour it while you can.

Give it a couple of years, I might buy an E90 V8 as a weekend car and keep it for good
I agree with everything you said Mike. With the need to improve co2 and economy the days of the high revving NA M engines are almost over - these have been fundamental to M Divs philosophy since inception but the sad truth is that a lot of people who want a fast car couldn't care less and just don't get the high revving NA concept - they just want a fast car with Top Trump power outputs and torque so that they can be faster than car X in a drag race
I'm sure BMW don't really care as long as they sell more cars, which i'm sure they will on the back of M Divs long standing reputation in the motor industry. I am also interested to see how they can make these new breed of engines have the same magic and 'specialness' as the current NA engines and previous incarnations like the screaming six from the E46 CSL, probably my favourite TBH.
I think the M Divs reluctance to go head to head with the likes of AMG in the power stakes has always endeared them to enthusiasts, the ability to get more from less and the idea that the complete car is more important than the ultimate headline figures has won them fans all over the world.
I await with interest the next gen of M cars and am still hopefull that the new M5 and M3 will still have that 'magic' as opposed to just becoming another fast car.
I will be selling mine next year, it will have less than 6k on the clock - will give you a good deal if youre interested !!
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What are your long term plans for the car mate? Obviously with the amount of serious mods you have on your car i would imagine that it would be quite difficult to sell, or are you going to keep it indefinately?
I intend to keep it for a long time, at least 5-6 years if not longer. Even the next M3 (stock) will have considerably less power, and I know perfectly well that I won't be able to get anything back for all the modifications if I sell the car (I have serious doubts anyone would want to buy it anyhow).
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No, just the fuel pump early this year. But I'm reasonably sure that this has nothing to do with the modifications.
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No problem! When you're near Luxembourg or participate at one of the famous 'Ring trips we can certainly realise that.

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like the screaming six from the E46 CSL, probably my favourite TBH.
You're not the only one judging by prices - £25K for a nice one.

Chris Harris said in this months EVO mag, and mark his words, a good E46 CSL will be £35k in 5 years time spurred on by the end of NA M-Division motors.
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You're not the only one judging by prices - £25K for a nice one.

Chris Harris said in this months EVO mag, and mark his words, a good E46 CSL will be £35k in 5 years time spurred on by the end of NA M-Division motors.
A great car that is holding on to its value very well but i can only imagine the life most of them have led over the 7 years or so since the first ones were released - i could still be tempted though
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I intend to keep it for a long time, at least 5-6 years if not longer. Even the next M3 (stock) will have considerably less power, and I know perfectly well that I won't be able to get anything back for all the modifications if I sell the car (I have serious doubts anyone would want to buy it anyhow).
No, just the fuel pump early this year. But I'm reasonably sure that this has nothing to do with the modifications.
No problem! When you're near Luxembourg or participate at one of the famous 'Ring trips we can certainly realise that.

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Its great to see the time and effort (and cash!) you have put into your car and i don't blame you for keeping it long term.

I might take you up on that test drive next year
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