HPFP Helix Overdrive issue

winjury · 11-30-2019, 09:03 PM

So I wanted run e85 without doing all the other crap (port injection etc) so Ken/Steven with Wedge told me to go with Helix Overdrive.
The install wasnt bad at all and there were no surprises. But when the vehicle is on at idle, if you have the windows down, you can hear this making an awful mechanical noise. Steven said to raise the idle rpms to 750, which I have done and am not to crazy about it because it looses that awesome deep idle due to my PE.
Regardless, it still occasionally rears its ugly head and usually when I am in line at a drive through and its obnoxious. Performance wise there is ZERO issues, which I am thankful for. But has anyone found a solution to this?

type-dRew · 12-02-2019, 06:32 AM

I've heard a few people talk about the Helix making noise.

Id imagine aside from a full redesign, its the price you pay to enjoy DI only capability.

iqraceworks · 12-02-2019, 06:55 AM

It's just a planetary gear overdrive unit..........because of how the gears are cut, they are going to make noise. They use them on all kinds of industrial types of equipment.....I think they are made to be strong, not quiet.

Wingnutts · 12-03-2019, 07:26 AM

This is interesting to know as I'm at the point that I can't achieve any higher numbers without something to push my hpfp numbers. So I've been eyeing this device recently. My question to the op is with dci, dp's with the increased sound of the turbos and a tial bov, how much louder is it? With power comes noise and as the power increases. I've found myself accepting of the increase of noise as the pedal is more satisfying with every mod. But how much gear noise is there. Any chance you could post some quick videos of idling and inside the cabin at normal speeds? Also, did you get the 4X or the 3X?

Thanks

NoGuru · 12-03-2019, 10:09 AM

Find a heat blanket and wrap it. I don't know if this is a good or bad idea as it might just trap heat and burn up the pump or increase fuel temps. But do it for science!
If I am stupid for thinking this please let me know?

iqraceworks · 12-03-2019, 10:18 AM

If it sounded like a gear drive or massive supercharger whine....that would be pretty cool 😁

Wingnutts · 12-03-2019, 12:23 PM

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Originally Posted by iqraceworks

If it sounded like a gear drive or massive supercharger whine....that would be pretty cool 😁

Thanks... Now I've got that sound in my head and I'm thinking of Dom's car in the fast and furious movies...

winjury · 12-03-2019, 07:36 PM

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Originally Posted by Wingnutts

This is interesting to know as I'm at the point that I can't achieve any higher numbers without something to push my hpfp numbers. So I've been eyeing this device recently. My question to the op is with dci, dp's with the increased sound of the turbos and a tial bov, how much louder is it? With power comes noise and as the power increases. I've found myself accepting of the increase of noise as the pedal is more satisfying with every mod. But how much gear noise is there. Any chance you could post some quick videos of idling and inside the cabin at normal speeds? Also, did you get the 4X or the 3X?

Thanks

I have been asked this several times by friends etc about showing a video. I will work on that in the coming days. You can hear it at idle with the windows down, thats it. Which one did i get? I got the best one, so i guess the 4x? lol

winjury · 12-03-2019, 07:37 PM

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Originally Posted by NoGuru

Find a heat blanket and wrap it. I don't know if this is a good or bad idea as it might just trap heat and burn up the pump or increase fuel temps. But do it for science!
If I am stupid for thinking this please let me know?

ill pass on that one. lol

winjury · 12-03-2019, 07:38 PM

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Originally Posted by iqraceworks

If it sounded like a gear drive or massive supercharger whine....that would be pretty cool 😁

Think of a few pennies in a jar getting shaken up but its not consistent. lol

iqraceworks · 12-03-2019, 07:44 PM

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Originally Posted by winjury

Think of a few pennies in a jar getting shaken up but its not consistent. lol

Have you contacted Helix? That's odd....gear noise should be consistent. That almost sounds like a bad bearing or something.

Can you take a video?

winjury · 12-05-2019, 08:55 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Wingnutts

This is interesting to know as I'm at the point that I can't achieve any higher numbers without something to push my hpfp numbers. So I've been eyeing this device recently. My question to the op is with dci, dp's with the increased sound of the turbos and a tial bov, how much louder is it? With power comes noise and as the power increases. I've found myself accepting of the increase of noise as the pedal is more satisfying with every mod. But how much gear noise is there. Any chance you could post some quick videos of idling and inside the cabin at normal speeds? Also, did you get the 4X or the 3X?

Thanks

iqraceworks · 12-05-2019, 11:14 AM

That sounds horrible!!!!!! You need to send that video to Helix.

iqraceworks · 12-05-2019, 11:17 AM

Is the Spool overdrive unit the same as the one Helix sells?

tony55343 · 12-05-2019, 12:44 PM

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Originally Posted by iqraceworks

Is the Spool overdrive unit the same as the one Helix sells?

Yes it is a " Spool Helix OD pump"

iqraceworks · 12-05-2019, 01:48 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by tony55343

Yes it is a " Spool Helix OD pump"

Ah....ok. makes sense.

winjury · 12-05-2019, 02:15 PM

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Originally Posted by iqraceworks

That sounds horrible!!!!!! You need to send that video to Helix.

Ok so i sent Spool the video at the same time i posted it on youtube. Aja called me from Spool and let me know that the device is fine and many people have been calling in about the exact issue I am having : inconsistent loud mechanical noise at idle. He said that one company has finally figured out how to get rid of that noise on the tuning side. He assured me that mechanically it is fine and nothing is wrong. He also told me that he would be contacting Ken with Wedge Performance and let him know about the tuning that will need to be done to address this. I have been very pleased with the customer service from both Wedge and Spool. ill let you guys know what happens and if this is resolved once I get the new flash in attempt to address the noise.

winjury · 12-05-2019, 02:16 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by iqraceworks

That sounds horrible!!!!!! You need to send that video to Helix.

Oh I know tell me about it! I am building a "sleeper" and all this does is get attention at a stop light.

NoGuru · 12-05-2019, 02:18 PM

Nice, glad it is getting worked out.

Wingnutts · 12-05-2019, 04:17 PM

Thanks for the video. Please keep us updated Ken's progress with tuning this thing.

iqraceworks · 12-06-2019, 08:30 AM

I'm curious as to how tuning will get rid of that gear/bearing noise. Keep us posted.

Jeef · 12-06-2019, 10:01 AM

how many people are experiencing this noise?

does the sound not go away?

11-30-2019, 09:03 PM	#1
winjury Private 17 Rep 97 Posts Drives: 2011 e90 n55/ 2012 e70 n63 Join Date: Jun 2019 Location: Orlando. iTrader: (0)	HPFP Helix Overdrive issue So I wanted run e85 without doing all the other crap (port injection etc) so Ken/Steven with Wedge told me to go with Helix Overdrive. The install wasnt bad at all and there were no surprises. But when the vehicle is on at idle, if you have the windows down, you can hear this making an awful mechanical noise. Steven said to raise the idle rpms to 750, which I have done and am not to crazy about it because it looses that awesome deep idle due to my PE. Regardless, it still occasionally rears its ugly head and usually when I am in line at a drive through and its obnoxious. Performance wise there is ZERO issues, which I am thankful for. But has anyone found a solution to this? __________________ 2011 e90 n55- fully upgraded fuel and air system. Hellcats dont like me 2012 e70 n63- m package, ESS flash tune, x5m bumper and megan racing quad exhaust
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12-02-2019, 06:32 AM	#2
type-dRew Major 641 Rep 1,245 Posts Drives: 2009 335i xDrive Join Date: Feb 2019 Location: Newport MI iTrader: (0)	I've heard a few people talk about the Helix making noise. Id imagine aside from a full redesign, its the price you pay to enjoy DI only capability. __________________ 2009 335i xDrive AT / 177k+ miles PSP 750ic / Fuel-It! Stage 1 / BMS CP / Sutphin Tuning / RFP E50 11.61 @ 117.5 New setup; Covid 19Ts on RFP 93 + ARM inlets, dp, VTT cp and PSP outlets
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12-02-2019, 06:55 AM	#3
iqraceworks Brigadier General 2001 Rep 3,731 Posts Drives: 2007 335i Join Date: Aug 2019 Location: Missouri iTrader: (0)	It's just a planetary gear overdrive unit..........because of how the gears are cut, they are going to make noise. They use them on all kinds of industrial types of equipment.....I think they are made to be strong, not quiet. __________________ 2007 335i, BMS DCI, BMS Chargepipe w/Tial BOV, ARM Catless Downpipes, silicone inlets, Bilstein B12 Prokit Suspension, Whiteline subframe bushings, Front/Rear M3 control arms, G-Plus FMIC, Stage 2 LPFP, Custom E40 tune by Justin (V8Bait), xHP stage 3 transmission flash, RB Two Turbos....10.90 @ 128mph
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12-03-2019, 07:26 AM	#4
Wingnutts Old Guy 133 Rep 305 Posts Drives: 335is DCT Join Date: Jun 2012 Location: PA iTrader: (0) Garage List 2011 335is [0.00] 2010 X5 35d [0.00] 2009 E92 328i xdrive [0.00]	This is interesting to know as I'm at the point that I can't achieve any higher numbers without something to push my hpfp numbers. So I've been eyeing this device recently. My question to the op is with dci, dp's with the increased sound of the turbos and a tial bov, how much louder is it? With power comes noise and as the power increases. I've found myself accepting of the increase of noise as the pedal is more satisfying with every mod. But how much gear noise is there. Any chance you could post some quick videos of idling and inside the cabin at normal speeds? Also, did you get the 4X or the 3X? Thanks
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12-03-2019, 10:09 AM	#5
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12-03-2019, 10:18 AM	#6
iqraceworks Brigadier General 2001 Rep 3,731 Posts Drives: 2007 335i Join Date: Aug 2019 Location: Missouri iTrader: (0)	If it sounded like a gear drive or massive supercharger whine....that would be pretty cool 😁
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12-05-2019, 11:14 AM	#13
iqraceworks Brigadier General 2001 Rep 3,731 Posts Drives: 2007 335i Join Date: Aug 2019 Location: Missouri iTrader: (0)	That sounds horrible!!!!!! You need to send that video to Helix.
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12-05-2019, 11:17 AM	#14
iqraceworks Brigadier General 2001 Rep 3,731 Posts Drives: 2007 335i Join Date: Aug 2019 Location: Missouri iTrader: (0)	Is the Spool overdrive unit the same as the one Helix sells?
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12-06-2019, 08:30 AM	#21
iqraceworks Brigadier General 2001 Rep 3,731 Posts Drives: 2007 335i Join Date: Aug 2019 Location: Missouri iTrader: (0)	I'm curious as to how tuning will get rid of that gear/bearing noise. Keep us posted.
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12-06-2019, 10:01 AM	#22
Jeef Lieutenant Colonel 388 Rep 1,945 Posts Drives: AW E92 335i Join Date: Nov 2008 Location: San Diego, CA iTrader: (6)	how many people are experiencing this noise? does the sound not go away?
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