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      08-26-2020, 10:52 AM   #331
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I have some questions on the NBT EVO retrofit (F48 though, not E90)

1. What is the difference between "silver top" and "black top" EVO units and why do they matter?
2. Why wouldn't I just get an NBT EVO unit that has the GPS port on the back instead of that + ATM module + rewiring?
1. "black top" evo units have 4gb of ram and can run the ID6 version of IDrive. There are some silver versions with 4gb and maybe even black versions with 2gb but as a general rule black top == 4gb. Look for a black unit with HB 2XX these have 4gb.
2. They were mostly phased out and the few that are still produced are hard to find and usually very expensive.
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      08-28-2020, 03:09 PM   #334
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I have some questions on the NBT EVO retrofit (F48 though, not E90)

1. What is the difference between "silver top" and "black top" EVO units and why do they matter?
2. Why wouldn't I just get an NBT EVO unit that has the GPS port on the back instead of that + ATM module + rewiring?
1. The black tops are definite ID5/ID6 units with 4GB ram. There are some 2017 silver tops that are also ID5/ID6+4GB, but you have to really investigate what car they came out of and their build date as most silver tops are ID4 units.

2. Very rare to find them in US spec units. You can get these all day from ECE units though.
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Cannot get network connection to EVO HU

Sorry to hijack the thread, but i cannot start a new one. I am performing a CIC to NBT EVO retrofit into a 2009 e92 m3. Bought a full system from a wrecked 2018 F36. I have everything cabled up but I cannot establish a network connection to the HU and I get no signal to the screen. It is getting power as I can feel it vibrate and get warm, and the retrofit adapter also gets power and powers the CIC faceplate. I have created a cable direct from OABR to ethernet (RJ-45) and have tried created 3 separate cables using 3 different CAT5e cables, 3 different OABR connectors, and always splicing in pre-crimped OABR cable leads with the MicroMQS pins. And have verified pinouts of each many times before and after making each one. I have also tested resistance of each lead through the cable on all 3 which are all good. So I literally have 3 totally separate cables that all produce the same exact result - when i plug it into my windows 7 laptop, the network adapter continues to loop from "identifying" to "unknown network" to "cable disconnected" every 1-2 seconds. I have also tried a second laptop with the same result. The cables from the EVO HU were cut off, so I don't think there is damage to the port/connector on the HU from them pulling it. I really hope my evo HU is not bad, but at this point I do not know what to try next. Any help is appreciated. Thanks!!
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did you connect the activation line and supplied it with 12v 1k ohm?
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      09-07-2020, 01:52 PM   #337
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Thank you for the reply! Yes, I did. For others that may come across this, I just found out the issue. It appears the retrofit adapter I was using was coded for an NBT unit and not an NBT EVO unit. The adapter provider just completed a remote session with me to update the firmware of the adapter for NBT EVO and I can now establish a network connection and ping the EVO HU at 169.254.199.99. I have no video signal and E-Sys still shows no targets that I now need to go troubleshoot, but I think the EVO HU is operational as now my climate control shows and temp values all show in celcius
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Trying to wake up NBT HU. The head unit seems to react on CAN messages. If no messages go to sleep with no power consumption, when resume sending can - wakes up and consume up to 2.7A. However, the monitor does not work at all.

Is there any way to check it?
Trying to validate video cable-piount, works like on this pic.
Checked the voltage when screen is disconnected - got 8.4V but not constant..
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tried to feed 8.4V to monitor, and woila it gets a message. HU reacts on can messages...
But when assembling together, screen gots black...

Sending three commands on 500Kbps
//0x12F, 8, 37 7C 8A DD D4 05 33 06 - nbt wake
//0x130, 5, 45 42 69 8F FE - ignition on
//0x21A, 3, 85 12 FF - lights on

Please suggest how to troubleshoot it?
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      09-15-2020, 04:55 AM   #340
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do you use suitable resolution? does the HU appear in esys?
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      09-15-2020, 04:58 AM   #341
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sorry it does not appear in esys, did not see that before.
allready made a VO suitable for your situation?
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      10-20-2020, 09:34 AM   #342
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I had the same issue with "NO SIGNAL" displaying on the screen. Apparently it got locked up and needs to be reflashed. Mine occurred after trying to update maps from an ebay seller, who provided me with a 4GB map file I formatted onto a USB drive correctly, it was recognized by the EVO but the map update failed. About a month later the screen would only display NO SIGNAL. I contacted Bimmerretrofit where I bought it, they reflashed it.
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Mounting NBT Evo

Hi everyone.

Apologies for jumping on a thread, but this seems quite active and it might be useful for others to keep all info in one place.

I'm retrofitting an NBT Evo ID6 along with the touchscreen of a MINI and an ATM module of an F31. Using a CarSystems emulator to get it to talk to my E90 330d. Previously had a similar setup in my E46, so have some experience of retrofitting an NBT Evo, including the wiring, coding and FSCs.

Have one question and it's quite a simple one. How are people mounting the NBT Evo and CIC front plate? It fits into the locator pins, but this prevents the CIC front plate from pressing into the locator pins. There are also no aligned screw holes, and so I am using zip ties to hold it in. Are there any alternatives? I've attached a photo to demonstrate.
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      12-31-2020, 09:35 PM   #344
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Hi everyone.

Apologies for jumping on a thread, but this seems quite active and it might be useful for others to keep all info in one place.

I'm retrofitting an NBT Evo ID6 along with the touchscreen of a MINI and an ATM module of an F31. Using a CarSystems emulator to get it to talk to my E90 330d. Previously had a similar setup in my E46, so have some experience of retrofitting an NBT Evo, including the wiring, coding and FSCs.

Have one question and it's quite a simple one. How are people mounting the NBT Evo and CIC front plate? It fits into the locator pins, but this prevents the CIC front plate from pressing into the locator pins. There are also no aligned screw holes, and so I am using zip ties to hold it in. Are there any alternatives? I've attached a photo to demonstrate.
I removed those two metal clips and zip tied the evo using the two factory screw holes. The faceplate and but screwed into to the plastic CIC trim with hardware store screws. Make sure you ground the faceplate to the car or you will have volume spikes.

ATM with the mini touch screen is a damn nice setup. It is nice to see some other people are dropping huge money and doing to full setup in the E9X. Are you also retrofitting the ICAM or TRSVC as well?
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I have added wiring for iCAM in case I want to do that a little later down the line, and have excess CAN wiring tucked away in within the boot liner. They use the same micro mqs crimps as the OABR. My crimping tool isn’t particularly good, but it can just about do them. Always have to shave off some of the insulation to get the pins to fit in.

Well, I had the same setup on my E46. Managed to get an Evo and emulator for a decent price on eBay. I have only just bought this car and intend to keep it for around 3-5 years. It’s nice having the updated gadgets.

Thanks for the heads up on the faceplate, I’ll add a ground wire in.
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I have added wiring for iCAM in case I want to do that a little later down the line, and have excess CAN wiring tucked away in within the boot liner. They use the same micro mqs crimps as the OABR. My crimping tool isn’t particularly good, but it can just about do them. Always have to shave off some of the insulation to get the pins to fit in.

Well, I had the same setup on my E46. Managed to get an Evo and emulator for a decent price on eBay. I have only just bought this car and intend to keep it for around 3-5 years. It’s nice having the updated gadgets.

Thanks for the heads up on the faceplate, I’ll add a ground wire in.
I keep telling myself I am going to keep my cars for a long time and end up getting a new one every two years. At least all of the NBT evo gear bolted right up into my F10.
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Hi guys! I was able to start my NBT on bench using cheap Arduino and MCP2515.
Need to pair front panel with volume knob, am/fm and other buttons. It works with I-bus or Lin bus. Can Anyone point me to the right direction how to find appropriate CAN ID's to execute these commands at NBT? I would sniff them from a front panel via Lin bus.
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Hi guys! I was able to start my NBT on bench using cheap Arduino and MCP2515.
Need to pair front panel with volume knob, am/fm and other buttons. It works with I-bus or Lin bus. Can Anyone point me to the right direction how to find appropriate CAN ID's to execute these commands at NBT? I would sniff them from a front panel via Lin bus.
slm lar hayati bey.ilgilendiğiniz konu hakkında bir kaç birşey denedim.idrive joistiğini android tablette yada telefonda çalıştırıp kullanabildim.
lakin ana üniteyi bir türlü uyandıramadım.ana üniteyi uyandırma konusunda yardım etmenizi rica ederim.
uyandırmak için gereken mesajları paylaşmanız mümkün olabilirmi?
saygılar.
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slm lar hayati bey.ilgilendiğiniz konu hakkında bir kaç birşey denedim.idrive joistiğini android tablette yada telefonda çalıştırıp kullanabildim.
lakin ana üniteyi bir türlü uyandıramadım.ana üniteyi uyandırma konusunda yardım etmenizi rica ederim.
uyandırmak için gereken mesajları paylaşmanız mümkün olabilirmi?
saygılar.
just send wake-up signals as described above. It was discussed million times.
I had an issue with MC2515, had to explicitly select 8Mhz.
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Could you please share the source code for the arduino program?
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#include <SPI.h>
#include <mcp2515.h>

struct can_frame canMsg1;
struct can_frame canMsg2;

MCP2515 mcp2515(10);

void setup() {

//0x12F, 8, 37 7C 8A DD D4 05 33 06 - nbt wake
  
canMsg1.can_id  0x12F;
  
canMsg1.can_dlc 8;
  
canMsg1.data[0] = 0x37;
  
canMsg1.data[1] = 0x7C;
  
canMsg1.data[2] = 0x8A;
  
canMsg1.data[3] = 0xDD;
  
canMsg1.data[4] = 0xD4;
  
canMsg1.data[5] = 0x05;
  
canMsg1.data[6] = 0x33;
  
canMsg1.data[7] = 0x06;


//0x130, 5, 45 42 69 8F FE - ignition on
  
canMsg2.can_id  0x130;
  
canMsg2.can_dlc 5;
  
canMsg2.data[0] = 0x45;
  
canMsg2.data[1] = 0x40;
  
canMsg2.data[2] = 0x21;//22
  
canMsg2.data[3] = 0x8F;
  
canMsg2.data[4] = 0xFE;

  
Serial.begin(115200);
  
  
mcp2515.reset();
  
mcp2515.setBitrate(CAN_500KBPSMCP_8MHZ);   
  
mcp2515.setNormalMode();  
}

void loop() {
  
mcp2515.sendMessage(&canMsg1);
  
mcp2515.sendMessage(&canMsg2);

  
Serial.println("Messages sent");
  
delay(500);  

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Hi guys! I was able to start my NBT on bench using cheap Arduino and MCP2515.
Need to pair front panel with volume knob, am/fm and other buttons. It works with I-bus or Lin bus. Can Anyone point me to the right direction how to find appropriate CAN ID's to execute these commands at NBT? I would sniff them from a front panel via Lin bus.
Try

0x12F: 00 50 8A DD D1 01 36 C1 (100ms)
0X130: 05 F0 FC FF FF (100ms)
0X510: 40 10 80 00 00 00 00 00 (500ms)
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