[Ferruccio]

I have a lot of fun at the pump for this very reason, though I tend to see a ton of tuned Lancer Evolutions at the E85 pump, so, most likely people understand what is going on.

[Killerfish2012]

Originally Posted by BuraQ

Do you ever get this look at a gas station when using E85 ?

You get that look because you are buying pump E85 that is intended for flex fuel vehicles only, and thus has no anti-corrosives, and varying seasonal ethanol content. You need C85, or E85R which is made for enthusiasts like yourself, with the right amount of anti-corrosive added, together with 85% ethanol guaranteed year round. The former takes it a step further and blends ethanol with race gas, instead of 87, hence the R designation. C85/E85R are obviously priced different from pump E85

[NjRep335i]

I go to the Newark Airport in NJ and the people know. They typically yell across the pumps. Yo get my man a 50/50 with the E85... Sometimes they even swipe the frequent customer card for a discount.

[ErvGotti]

Yeah all the time. Where I'm at here there's not to many turbo'd cars and even less running E85. Every time I get asked the question I just shorten it to the cars turbo'd and E85 is basically race gas and they usually leave me alone.

[mave198]

Got a few raised eyebrows at the East Orange NJ station I use.

[enrita]

Got the guy running out screaming about filling e85 on my car. Told him to mind his own business lol

[Jeff@TopGearSolutions]

Originally Posted by sickem

it's funny...when i first started going to the Newark Gulf they were a little confused. Now they ask me how much E85 and how much 93 I want and they know the drill. there's usually at least one subie or evo there filling up when i'm there too LOL

on a related topic, i have an E40 protune from Jake@PTF. It's easy to figure out using an online calculator how to get E40 when you have no E85 in the tank. But how do you guys handle managing the content with a depleted E85/93 mix? Basically what I did last time was figure there was about 2.4 gallons of fuel left in the car, 40% of which was ethanol. I think it worked out to like 1.1 gal of ethanol. so I added 5.5 gal of E85 and then filled the rest up with 93. sound right?

There is E85 in newark? Which station?

[MIM5]

I usually pump at a station that has the E85 pump in the middle of two reg gas pumps. This lady almost hit me when I was parked in between the two to do my 50/50 blend. Had to smack the back of her truck so that she wouldn't run into my car trying to squeeze between me and another car to use the E85 pump. She was even more pissed when she saw me pump the E85, then had to wait longer when I moved on to pump my 93.

[Jnat]

The gulf station at Newark Airport has it.

[Jeff@TopGearSolutions]

Originally Posted by jnat

The gulf station at Newark Airport has it.

I'm not familiar enough with the area but i'll keep it in mind.

[BQTuning]

Originally Posted by Killerfish2012

You get that look because you are buying pump E85 that is intended for flex fuel vehicles only, and thus has no anti-corrosives, and varying seasonal ethanol content. You need C85, or E85R which is made for enthusiasts like yourself, with the right amount of anti-corrosive added, together with 85% ethanol guaranteed year round. The former takes it a step further and blends ethanol with race gas, instead of 87, hence the R designation. C85/E85R are obviously priced different from pump E85

I get what you are saying but I am going to take it a little further. Most people at a that gas station think in general that E85 can ONLY be use in Fuel Flex vehicles. If it is used on a car that does not have a "Fuel Flex badge" then it is bad. Kinda like if someone puts diesel into a gasoline car, that's the look of concern you will get from.....ignorance

Do you not think our fueling setup was designed by BMW to handle certain amount of ethanol more than 10% how about 30%, perhaps more ?

Well here are the facts. In Brazil, there are BMW factories, they use the fueling system and parts we use in the USA. Brazil's premium gasoline is E25, and the ethanol premium blended fuel keeps going up an average of every 3 years. Still now public change from BMW.

Brazil has been running mid grades of ethanol in their fuels and I have yet to read about a BMW having issues with corrosion due to ethanol "blends"

Now what about the use of E30-E40 ? This has already been researched and tested on older cars up 100k using these blends and not a quibble about corrosion http://www.ethanol.org/index.php?id=91 lots of sources here

Also, there are fuel-flex cleaners that can clean out our fueling system or straight race gas every now then when and if our pockets can dig that deep for the shnits & giggles.

One member here who used straight E85 for more than one year, decided to check his injectors and found sum gunk build. He used a bottle of flex-fuel cleaner and then after a period time checked again and the gunk was gone like it wasn't even there. So the stuff works....

However most of us use mid blends of E30-E40 and not straight E85

[VNeBLOB42]

All the time, have to explain to them why and how. But I don't mind it. Most people don't understand why their miles per gallon goes down when they use it

[VNeBLOB42]

Originally Posted by enrita

Got the guy running out screaming about filling e85 on my car. Told him to mind his own business lol

[VNeBLOB42]

Originally Posted by sickem

it's funny...when i first started going to the Newark Gulf they were a little confused. Now they ask me how much E85 and how much 93 I want and they know the drill. there's usually at least one subie or evo there filling up when i'm there too LOL

on a related topic, i have an E40 protune from Jake@PTF. It's easy to figure out using an online calculator how to get E40 when you have no E85 in the tank. But how do you guys handle managing the content with a depleted E85/93 mix? Basically what I did last time was figure there was about 2.4 gallons of fuel left in the car, 40% of which was ethanol. I think it worked out to like 1.1 gal of ethanol. so I added 5.5 gal of E85 and then filled the rest up with 93. sound right?

Just gauge how many gallons are left to fill up And put in your necessary percentage. Doesn't matter what's in there as long as you put in the correct percentage at fill up. I use a calculator also.

I use propel fuels and so far it's been pretty consistent.

[Dmacc]

I get a couple of head scratches, even from a guy with a 700whp supra who was also filling up with e85, he had no idea our platform had come this far

[Killerfish2012]

Originally Posted by BuraQ

Do you not think our fueling setup was designed by BMW to handle certain amount of ethanol more than 10% how about 30%, perhaps more ?

Well here are the facts. In Brazil, there are BMW factories, they use the fueling system and parts we use in the USA. Brazil's premium gasoline is E25, and the ethanol premium blended fuel keeps going up an average of every 3 years. Still now public change from BMW.

Brazil's E25 is blended with anti-corrosives, because, not everyone in brazil has a flex fuel vehicle. Our E10 is also blended with anti-corrosives. But when you use either E10, or a just plain 93, and increase the ethanol %, you will overwhelm them. Just my 2 cents.

[E90Company]

Originally Posted by BuraQ

I get what you are saying but I am going to take it a little further. Most people at a that gas station think in general that E85 can ONLY be use in Fuel Flex vehicles. If it is used on a car that does not have a "Fuel Flex badge" then it is bad. Kinda like if someone puts diesel into a gasoline car, that's the look of concern you will get from.....ignorance

Do you not think our fueling setup was designed by BMW to handle certain amount of ethanol more than 10% how about 30%, perhaps more ?

Well here are the facts. In Brazil, there are BMW factories, they use the fueling system and parts we use in the USA. Brazil's premium gasoline is E25, and the ethanol premium blended fuel keeps going up an average of every 3 years. Still now public change from BMW.

Brazil has been running mid grades of ethanol in their fuels and I have yet to read about a BMW having issues with corrosion due to ethanol "blends"

Now what about the use of E30-E40 ? This has already been researched and tested on older cars up 100k using these blends and not a quibble about corrosion http://www.ethanol.org/index.php?id=91 lots of sources here

Also, there are fuel-flex cleaners that can clean out our fueling system or straight race gas every now then when and if our pockets can dig that deep for the shnits & giggles.

One member here who used straight E85 for more than one year, decided to check his injectors and found sum gunk build. He used a bottle of flex-fuel cleaner and then after a period time checked again and the gunk was gone like it wasn't even there. So the stuff works....

However most of us use mid blends of E30-E40 and not straight E85

This is a ridiculous justification of E85 use. What makes you think the "E25" in Brazil is the same as a 93+E85 mix to make E25 in America? You don't just "throw in fuel system cleaner" and all is well again, that's not how it works. You shouldn't even base your conclusions off one person either. Why do you think you throw fuel codes with only E30-E40 and you didn't before? I've never once thrown a fuel code, probably because I never run corn syrup through my stock fuel system.

Originally Posted by Killerfish2012

Brazil's E25 is blended with anti-corrosives, because, not everyone in brazil has a flex fuel vehicle. Our E10 is also blended with anti-corrosives. But when you use either E10, or a just plain 93, and increase the ethanol %, you will overwhelm them. Just my 2 cents.

+1. OEM's don't just slap on flex-fuel badges on cars and say "have at it." Fuel system components are changed to better cope with the corrosion the ethanol brings forth.

[BQTuning]

Originally Posted by Killerfish2012

Brazil's E25 is blended with anti-corrosives, because, not everyone in brazil has a flex fuel vehicle. Our E10 is also blended with anti-corrosives. But when you use either E10, or a just plain 93, and increase the ethanol %, you will overwhelm them. Just my 2 cents.

Interesting, so E10 contains anti-corrosives but when mixing 70% - 60% of it with 30% - 40% E85 it no longer has anti-corrosives ? We are talking the greater volume of E10 still overwhelming the lesser volume of E85 . You do understand I was never supporting the contrary, right ?

Since E30 - E40 have been tested on cars with inferior fueling systems with no signs of corrosion, and large mass of enthusiast cars EVOs, STIs, GT-Rs, Porches etc are also using mid blends of E85, nothing of corrosion has surfaced be it DI or PI platforms.

Just my 2 cents :-)

[RnmEvo9]

I've been getting that look since 2007...

[BEAR-AvHistory]

Our local E-85 station went under. Am doing the two step 10 gal 100 balance 93 from near empty at a station in Cary. Since the pump says "racing gas" I get all kinds of questions from people who say they did not know BMW's needed special fuel.

[Wedge1967]

Originally Posted by E90Company

@BuraQ, good thing he didn't mistake your car for a flexfuel Impala.

[BQTuning]

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