Steering causing engine surge

JB4N · 04-13-2017, 03:31 PM

Now today I go to back out the car and the surging has came back. But it's ever so slightly, not nearly as bad as it was but still there.....

wonder why it came back?

MiamiM3 · 04-14-2017, 10:00 PM

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Originally Posted by JB4N

Now today I go to back out the car and the surging has came back. But it's ever so slightly, not nearly as bad as it was but still there.....

wonder why it came back?

That's not good!

JB4N · 04-14-2017, 10:23 PM

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Originally Posted by MiamiM3

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Originally Posted by JB4N

Now today I go to back out the car and the surging has came back. But it's ever so slightly, not nearly as bad as it was but still there.....

wonder why it came back?

That's not good!

Yeah I don't understand.... It's not as bad as it use to be but is still there. I can deal with it, but would still like a permanent fix.

JB4N · 04-17-2017, 06:40 PM

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Originally Posted by BimmerGeeks

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Originally Posted by JB4N

I finally got around to drive the car today. I am happy to say that the DME update did fix the surging problem for me! I can now turn the steering wheel at slow speeds with no surging!!

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For those that aren't comfortable flashing and/or don't have a cable or software to do so, shoot us a PM!

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JB4N · 04-17-2017, 06:40 PM

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Originally Posted by BimmerGeeks

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Originally Posted by JB4N

I finally got around to drive the car today. I am happy to say that the DME update did fix the surging problem for me! I can now turn the steering wheel at slow speeds with no surging!!

BOOM! It looks like this question is answered!

For those that aren't comfortable flashing and/or don't have a cable or software to do so, shoot us a PM!

PM'd you

MHD Tuning · 04-19-2017, 06:57 AM

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Originally Posted by BimmerGeeks

Yes, when we update the DME it will overwrite your MHD, so you would want to either take it off & re-upload it with the new update. The software version may change so you would want to use the updated version as your new base map for MHD

We just sent you a pm regarding price.

You should understand the MHD uses only the latest software for your car, no update is needed whatever your software version prior to MHD.

When updating the software with certain BMW tools, some adaptations are retested and help on this issue. I think the key here os the load control adaptation that you can now reset in MHD too.

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MHD Tuning Martial, I have a few customers contacting me regarding this also. Is this something you can address in the next revision?

See above.

JB4N · 04-19-2017, 12:38 PM

Can resetting the load control adaptions take care of this problem? Is MHD the only program we can use to rest these adaptations?

JB4N · 04-19-2017, 12:42 PM

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Originally Posted by BimmerGeeks

Inpa and/or Ista can reset your adaptationsas well.

What does reseting the load control actual do?

Sweatyandreadyb · 04-26-2017, 07:13 PM

Any news yet JB4N Im having the same issues, took it to the dealer and got every possible electronic system updated, including the DME update that was in the SI B12 09 12. The car was having a weird high idle on cold start and it was 100% fixed however it started getting worse with the low speed tuning, I almost hit a car trying to park because of the surge. Im headed to an indy Friday to have them look. But I'm at a loss.

JB4N · 04-26-2017, 09:16 PM

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Originally Posted by Sweatyandreadyb

Any news yet JB4N Im having the same issues, took it to the dealer and got every possible electronic system updated, including the DME update that was in the SI B12 09 12. The car was having a weird high idle on cold start and it was 100% fixed however it started getting worse with the low speed tuning, I almost hit a car trying to park because of the surge. Im headed to an indy Friday to have them look. But I'm at a loss.

I have literally tried everything, got the DME updated to the latest software and new spark plugs..... Talked to the dealer and they said it was a known problem and BMW is aware of it. So no fix as of now. Im dealing with it for now though, but really would like a permeant fix. Let me know what your indy say's.

Sweatyandreadyb · 04-27-2017, 01:34 PM

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Originally Posted by JB4N

I have literally tried everything, got the DME updated to the latest software and new spark plugs..... Talked to the dealer and they said it was a known problem and BMW is aware of it. So no fix as of now. Im dealing with it for now though, but really would like a permeant fix. Let me know what your indy say's.

Will do, any word on if resetting those adaptions will help?

MiamiM3 · 04-27-2017, 01:42 PM

It has to be a sensor that failed or a software issue. My car just developed this issue (idle rpm surging during tight turns) four or five months ago. My car has always had a slight increase in rpm when coming to a stop when the air conditioning is running. The idle speed rpm surging only happens with tight low speed turns, like pulling into a parking space. It doesn't matter if the air conditioning is on or off. Has anyone removed their tune to verify it is not the cause? It seems like this issue started when I transitioned from Cobb to MHD, I could be wrong.

I am really interested to hear what your Indy has to say.

JB4N · 04-27-2017, 05:29 PM

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Originally Posted by Sweatyandreadyb

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Originally Posted by JB4N

I have literally tried everything, got the DME updated to the latest software and new spark plugs..... Talked to the dealer and they said it was a known problem and BMW is aware of it. So no fix as of now. Im dealing with it for now though, but really would like a permeant fix. Let me know what your indy say's.

Will do, any word on if resetting those adaptions will help?

They might help a little, but I don't think that will make much of a difference. I agree with Miami, it has to be a sensor or something. I have removed the tune and the problem still persist.

Sweatyandreadyb · 04-27-2017, 08:30 PM

Tomorrow is the day hopefully I'll have answers that I can share with you all. I'll mention sensors, the guys I use will let me sit and talk to them for hours and just pick their brains. (No charge) any way I am not tuned never have been and I have no mods other than an axle back exhaust. Today I was at a drive thru and noticed it if I turned the wheel and left it there it would surge up and down. I put it over in M and shifted up to 2nd and had absolutely no issues. Not sure what that means but am going to mention it tomorrow. Keep your eyes open I'll post something about my Indy experience.

Sweatyandreadyb · 04-27-2017, 08:54 PM

Also doing some research, has anyone looked into it perhaps being a power steering issue, like a pressure switch or anything there? I know imprezas have been known to have erratic surging when the power steering acts up. Just throwing ideas out there.

MiamiM3 · 05-01-2017, 12:29 AM

Did your Indy find out what is causing the steering rpm surge?

Sweatyandreadyb · 05-01-2017, 04:10 AM

So Indy has found a couple things, the steering surge is almost def a programming issue, but we cant be sure yet due to finding that my entire belt system being messed up. Turns out my Harmonizer was wobbling, causing other pulleys to be thrown off, more than likely means nothing for the RPM surge at turning but need to have it fixed to be sure. If problem continues, I have found a shop that will reset adaptations and dig around the programming. Ill keep you updated.

Sweatyandreadyb · 05-31-2017, 07:39 AM

Still gotten nowhere. We are looking into VANOs issues, due to me now getting Hiccups while at 60mph. JB4N have you had any of these issues as well?

JB4N · 05-31-2017, 09:32 AM

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Originally Posted by Sweatyandreadyb

Still gotten nowhere. We are looking into VANOs issues, due to me now getting Hiccups while at 60mph. JB4N have you had any of these issues as well?

I have had none of these issues, just the steering wheel surge on low speeds.

JB4N · 05-31-2017, 09:33 AM

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Originally Posted by Sweatyandreadyb

Still gotten nowhere. We are looking into VANOs issues, due to me now getting Hiccups while at 60mph. JB4N have you had any of these issues as well?

I have had none of these issues, just the steering wheel surge on low speeds.

cjdzombie · 05-31-2017, 01:06 PM

I've been having this same issue. I tried doing the load controller adaptations rest, but that didn't seem to solve the problem. It would be awesome if someone can pin point what is causing this.

cjdzombie · 07-06-2017, 07:38 PM

Got to bump this.

I can't believe there hasn't been a solution to this yet. Seems like it's been discuss for a while. I've seen multiple threads on a few different forums dedicated to this issue. There was recently a mention on the MHD thread. Hopefully the MHD crew are looking into a solution. I just cant accept that surging when backing out slowly is normal. Anyone have any news on this?

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JB4N Second Lieutenant 79 Rep 258 Posts Drives: 2011 335i M-Sport Join Date: Nov 2014 Location: TN iTrader: (0)	Now today I go to back out the car and the surging has came back. But it's ever so slightly, not nearly as bad as it was but still there..... wonder why it came back?
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04-19-2017, 12:38 PM	#51
JB4N Second Lieutenant 79 Rep 258 Posts Drives: 2011 335i M-Sport Join Date: Nov 2014 Location: TN iTrader: (0)	Can resetting the load control adaptions take care of this problem? Is MHD the only program we can use to rest these adaptations?
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04-26-2017, 07:13 PM	#53
Sweatyandreadyb New Member 0 Rep 7 Posts Drives: 2011 BMW 335i x-drive Join Date: Mar 2017 Location: Suffolk VA iTrader: (0)	Any news yet JB4N Im having the same issues, took it to the dealer and got every possible electronic system updated, including the DME update that was in the SI B12 09 12. The car was having a weird high idle on cold start and it was 100% fixed however it started getting worse with the low speed tuning, I almost hit a car trying to park because of the surge. Im headed to an indy Friday to have them look. But I'm at a loss.
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04-27-2017, 01:42 PM	#56
MiamiM3 Second Lieutenant 32 Rep 205 Posts Drives: 2011 335i E90 AT M-Sport Join Date: May 2011 Location: Sacramento CA iTrader: (1) Garage List 2011 BMW 335i M-Sport [0.00]	It has to be a sensor that failed or a software issue. My car just developed this issue (idle rpm surging during tight turns) four or five months ago. My car has always had a slight increase in rpm when coming to a stop when the air conditioning is running. The idle speed rpm surging only happens with tight low speed turns, like pulling into a parking space. It doesn't matter if the air conditioning is on or off. Has anyone removed their tune to verify it is not the cause? It seems like this issue started when I transitioned from Cobb to MHD, I could be wrong. I am really interested to hear what your Indy has to say.
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04-27-2017, 08:30 PM	#58
Sweatyandreadyb New Member 0 Rep 7 Posts Drives: 2011 BMW 335i x-drive Join Date: Mar 2017 Location: Suffolk VA iTrader: (0)	Tomorrow is the day hopefully I'll have answers that I can share with you all. I'll mention sensors, the guys I use will let me sit and talk to them for hours and just pick their brains. (No charge) any way I am not tuned never have been and I have no mods other than an axle back exhaust. Today I was at a drive thru and noticed it if I turned the wheel and left it there it would surge up and down. I put it over in M and shifted up to 2nd and had absolutely no issues. Not sure what that means but am going to mention it tomorrow. Keep your eyes open I'll post something about my Indy experience.
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04-27-2017, 08:54 PM	#59
Sweatyandreadyb New Member 0 Rep 7 Posts Drives: 2011 BMW 335i x-drive Join Date: Mar 2017 Location: Suffolk VA iTrader: (0)	Also doing some research, has anyone looked into it perhaps being a power steering issue, like a pressure switch or anything there? I know imprezas have been known to have erratic surging when the power steering acts up. Just throwing ideas out there.
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05-01-2017, 12:29 AM	#60
MiamiM3 Second Lieutenant 32 Rep 205 Posts Drives: 2011 335i E90 AT M-Sport Join Date: May 2011 Location: Sacramento CA iTrader: (1) Garage List 2011 BMW 335i M-Sport [0.00]	Did your Indy find out what is causing the steering rpm surge?
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05-01-2017, 04:10 AM	#61
Sweatyandreadyb New Member 0 Rep 7 Posts Drives: 2011 BMW 335i x-drive Join Date: Mar 2017 Location: Suffolk VA iTrader: (0)	So Indy has found a couple things, the steering surge is almost def a programming issue, but we cant be sure yet due to finding that my entire belt system being messed up. Turns out my Harmonizer was wobbling, causing other pulleys to be thrown off, more than likely means nothing for the RPM surge at turning but need to have it fixed to be sure. If problem continues, I have found a shop that will reset adaptations and dig around the programming. Ill keep you updated.
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05-31-2017, 07:39 AM	#62
Sweatyandreadyb New Member 0 Rep 7 Posts Drives: 2011 BMW 335i x-drive Join Date: Mar 2017 Location: Suffolk VA iTrader: (0)	Still gotten nowhere. We are looking into VANOs issues, due to me now getting Hiccups while at 60mph. JB4N have you had any of these issues as well?
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05-31-2017, 01:06 PM	#65
cjdzombie First Lieutenant 76 Rep 290 Posts Drives: 2011 E92 335i xDrive, M Sport Join Date: Dec 2015 Location: Cincinnati iTrader: (0)	I've been having this same issue. I tried doing the load controller adaptations rest, but that didn't seem to solve the problem. It would be awesome if someone can pin point what is causing this.
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07-06-2017, 07:38 PM	#66
cjdzombie First Lieutenant 76 Rep 290 Posts Drives: 2011 E92 335i xDrive, M Sport Join Date: Dec 2015 Location: Cincinnati iTrader: (0)	Got to bump this. I can't believe there hasn't been a solution to this yet. Seems like it's been discuss for a while. I've seen multiple threads on a few different forums dedicated to this issue. There was recently a mention on the MHD thread. Hopefully the MHD crew are looking into a solution. I just cant accept that surging when backing out slowly is normal. Anyone have any news on this? __________________ 2011 E92 335i xDrive M-Sport MHD 93 Stage 2+ \| xHP Stage 3 \| xDelete \| Catless Downpipe \| Phoenix Racing Intercooler \| ARM CP \| AFE Drop In Filter
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