[Clap135]

Originally Posted by Doug007

The DME sees knock with no piggyback interference. If it was going to lower it's boost setpoint you would see it.

Cobb saying "It's entirely possible" that the DME shifts strategy doesn't mean it does.

All evidence points to it pulling timing until it gets to the point it goes into limp mode and cuts all boost.

what? The dme thinks it is running 6-8psi falling down to like 4-5 no matter what actual boost is. So if hte ecu sees stock boost all them, with knock, it will back down timing. pretty much what the jb3 relies on. Makes you wonder what the actual conditions are to lower boost, or if boost is even meant to be lowered when the ecu is confused into thinking everything is gravy. From my logs, the procede tells the ecu timing is perfect, boost is perfect, So why would it drop?

[Mike@N54Tuning.com]

Originally Posted by Clap135

BULLSHTI, should i quote all the times terry said "map up" to people in cold weather or on meth. Try again.

The JB3 did not have enough of an adjustment in it to fully overcome the OEM logic. But if there were no adjustment you would have seen much wilder boost swings and required more conservative tuning. Anyway the JB4 method of interdependent targets is much better for extracting maximum performance under all conditions in my opinion. If you prefer another method more power to you. Looking forward to seeing your track times with the flash tuning.

Mike

[Clap135]

Originally Posted by Mike@N54Tuning.com

The JB3 did not have enough of an adjustment in it to full overcome the OEM logic. But if there were no adjustment you would have seen much wilder boost swings and required more conservative tuning. Anyway the JB4 method of interdependent targets is much better for extracting maximum performance under all conditions in my opinion. If you prefer another method more power to you. Looking forward to seeing your track times with the flash tuning.

Mike

You shouldnt look forward to my track times, as I dont really care about times. Trap speed on the other hand, we will see once a flash is capable of running the boost piggies are. Still kinda ironic how the jb4 has yet to set any record compared to the jb3.

[Doug007]

Originally Posted by Clap135

what? The dme thinks it is running 6-8psi falling down to like 4-5 no matter what actual boost is. So if hte ecu sees stock boost all them, with knock, it will back down timing. pretty much what the jb3 relies on. Makes you wonder what the actual conditions are to lower boost, or if boost is even meant to be lowered when the ecu is confused into thinking everything is gravy. From my logs, the procede tells the ecu timing is perfect, boost is perfect, So why would it drop?

Again, the DME sees knock with no interference. It may think boost is 8psig and timing is as it requests, but it still hears the knock.

It would be like you put some 80 octane gas in at stock boost levels. If the DME was going to reduce the boost target, we would be able to see it.

The DME certainly pulls timing and we see that loud and clear.

[Mike@N54Tuning.com]

Originally Posted by Clap135

You shouldnt look forward to my track times, as I dont really care about times. Trap speed on the other hand, we will see once a flash is capable of running the boost piggies are. Still kinda ironic how the jb4 has yet to set any record compared to the jb3.

The JB3 is a fast tune. BMS will soon have a few thousand in stock from JB4 upgrades if you ever decide to go that route. No doubt JB4 will be just as fast though, but its just now hitting the market.

Mike

[Clap135]

Originally Posted by Doug007

Again, the DME sees knock with no interference. It may think boost is 8psig and timing is as it requests, but it still hears the knock.

It would be like you put some 80 octane gas in at stock boost levels. If the DME was going to reduce the boost target, we would be able to see it.

The DME certainly pulls timing and we see that loud and clear.

Put in 80 octane and let me know if you car will run 6-8psi falling to 4.

[Clap135]

Originally Posted by Mike@N54Tuning.com

The JB3 is a fast tune. BMS will soon have a few thousand in stock from JB4 upgrades if you ever decide to go that route. No doubt JB4 will be just as fast though, but its just now hitting the market.

Mike

You have a higher chance of winning the lottery then me running that tune again.

[Shellacked135i]

Originally Posted by Clap135

You have a higher chance of winning the lottery then me running that tune again.

winning the Mega Millions are 1 in 135145920

[Clap135]

Originally Posted by Shellacked135i

winning the Mega Millions are 1 in 135145920

so you're saying theres a chance

[D.B.S]

This thread went from to in a matter of days. There was a nice CIVIL conversation between tuners, (albeit only two-three tuners tuned in, pardon the pun). But like all the other threads, it's turned into a shouting match, on whose balls are bigger, and who's tune is better (A flame war in progress).

Oh well, what else can you expect... It will never change, so guess i should just STFU...

[mazdaspeed6]

Great first page...

[secretsquirrel]

Originally Posted by Army335xi

This thread went from to in a matter of days. There was a nice CIVIL conversation between tuners, (albeit only two-three tuners tuned in, pardon the pun). But like all the other threads, it's turned into a shouting match, on whose balls are bigger, and who's tune is better (A flame war in progress).

Oh well, what else can you expect... It will never change, so guess i should just STFU...

This isn't bad at all, you're just being hyper sensitive to the subject. Sure the exchange from Clap to Mike might have been slightly charged, but the rest of the thread has been a gem with lots of good information.

[Aridk]

I guess the post got deluted and deied
Just a thought In one of the resent Coob vs V5 vs Jb threads I read something about cracking the vanous, How much more power can we hope for there?
I remember some time ago Dms uk said that the susses with their flash for the e46 M3 was down to tweeking the vanos(normaly asp. so 10hp or so?)
I like the way we´re heading with the latest v5 beta maps (not that I have tested them so yet) with more power on less boost.

[Lankster]

Bump muahaha
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[chiaobaby]

don't bring back the dead

[Lulz_M3]

Interesting read. Reaffirms that i made the correct decision in my tune of choice.

[themyst]

Originally Posted by Aridk

I guess the post got deluted and deied
Just a thought In one of the resent Coob vs V5 vs Jb threads I read something about cracking the vanous, How much more power can we hope for there?
I remember some time ago Dms uk said that the susses with their flash for the e46 M3 was down to tweeking the vanos(normaly asp. so 10hp or so?)
I like the way we´re heading with the latest v5 beta maps (not that I have tested them so yet) with more power on less boost.

VANOs tuning does not add power it just shifts the curve further north in the powerband at the cost of peak power around 5k rpm.

[mrbillytalent]

Who's this Clap guy? He messed up all the fun. I'm anxious to see where this conversation would pick up being over a year later