Money $hifting need help

M3_WC · 04-15-2012, 08:51 PM

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Originally Posted by JTran1320

Looks like I'm SOL. This is going to suck

Get ready to write a big check. First thing they will check is dme history. They are going to see exactly what happened. Hope you get lucky and dealer takes care of it for you, but that is a really long shot. My buddy money shifted his 6 month old M3, it cost him over $14k in repairs.

bulldog_yyc · 04-15-2012, 08:57 PM

I would try the dealer - be honest and see if they can help. I would not be surprised if they charge you a couple hundred to diagnose it and many thousands on a repair quote....

Im willing to bet going to an indy and looking for a block on your own will be cheaper though.... good luck

CoralRed335XI · 04-15-2012, 08:59 PM

If you fry the ecu, they cant see anything.

Brey335i · 04-15-2012, 09:00 PM

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Originally Posted by CoralRed335XI

If you fry the ecu, they cant see anything.

lol. Just to be sure, why don't you simply light the car on fire and push it off a cliff... then they truly will never realize you had a money shift. They might, however, get you for insurance fraud... but that's just some jail time.

rader1 · 04-15-2012, 09:12 PM

Honesty is the best policy, especially when all it takes is just a tiny amount of diagnosis to support/dispute your story.

sA x sKy · 04-15-2012, 09:32 PM

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Originally Posted by CoralRed335XI

If you fry the ecu, they cant see anything.

When the only two codes that pop relate to boost/air than yea, it's kinda obvious that I had a tune when the problem occurred. So yeah, they can see exactly what's going on.

ETS Michael · 04-15-2012, 10:23 PM

Most money shifts i have seen consist of a rod sticking out of the block. Good luck man.

Beemw335 · 04-15-2012, 10:40 PM

One of the few advantages of an automatic..
Op its up to you if you want to be straight forward or play it off as if you never realized you money shifted..

Velocity26 · 04-15-2012, 10:50 PM

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Originally Posted by ETS Michael

Most money shifts i have seen consist of a rod sticking out of the block. Good luck man.

^ exactly ... not much diagnosis needed when there is a hole in the block/pan.

username604 · 04-15-2012, 11:29 PM

Get the car moving, put it into a barrier, tell them you money shifted which caused the crash. Insurance should take care of you then.

Is it possible to add mis-shifting to your insurance policy? OP is not the first guy on this board to lose an engine on 2nd gear.

I guess you can just change the position of your hand as you row gears, and that's a sort-of insurance against messing up.

Good luck OP, it's just money, and it'll come and go.

Tzu · 04-16-2012, 06:58 AM

This is a fail of a thread. OP money shifted. OP pays. End thread.

NBK · 04-16-2012, 07:06 AM

it doesn't surprise me how many people would commit fraud for their own mistakes... what a shame.

kalamokid · 04-16-2012, 07:21 AM

How far back can BMW see the over rev condition? Also, would revving to redline in first and second not replicate the same code?

BMWsky · 04-16-2012, 07:41 AM

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Originally Posted by kalamokid

How far back can BMW see the over rev condition? Also, would revving to redline in first and second not replicate the same code?

I don't know how long the code will be stored. You can rev to redline in any gear without issue (providing you have oil in the pan). The rev limiter is a tad higher than the beginning of redline IIRC.

To those suggesting that you "fry" your ECU, as soon as the dealership (or any other shop) sees your lifters, etc, the gig is up.

OP:

IMHO, just be honest and tell them what happened as they're going to find out anyway. It really does suck and I feel for you; best of luck today.

335(EX)(EYE) · 04-16-2012, 08:03 AM

holy crap dude i feel bad for u brotha. you should really be honest, and if ur dealership is a dick, go to a new one and tell them what happened, or at ur usual dealership just ask to sit down with the SA's manager, iv had great sucess when not speaking to the SA. SA are really worthless, my old SA was against my turbo replacement, and i went straight to the manager and he took care of it for me, which he really shouldnt have considering what they knew

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blackbeast06 · 04-16-2012, 09:05 AM

did you check oil cooler lines? its a long shot but maybe some lines popped off and caused the leak?

HGreen335 · 04-16-2012, 09:52 AM

tell them the truth and pray to 8 pound 9 ounce baby jesus that you didnt put a rod through the block

northmiler89 · 04-16-2012, 10:28 AM

-----------Disconnect battery to clear ECM. When they ask, tell them you had a friend bring a spare battery by and swapped it out to see if the veh would start. Play stupid, but if you treat them like they are morons they will just deny your claim and send you packing for insulting them.

-Good luck.

cleex024 · 04-16-2012, 10:31 AM

what i dont get is how can u money shift so bad? do you even have a ssk? it seems so obvious when u are in 2nd and 4th that i just dont see myself ever money shifting...its so obvious im not even going to knock on wood lol.

but whats done is done i suppose and i would just be honest also just like everyone is saying...cause seriously you are not going to be able to get away with i was revving high. they will know exactly what happened when they go into the dme and probably will see a rod through the engine so will probably be assuming thats what you did

so lying about this whole situation will only lead to more headaches. this is a lesson learned and just try to find a better way to resolve this issue...maybe through your insurance

cleex024 · 04-16-2012, 10:33 AM

oh and forgot to mention...there are a lot of techs out there on these forums for personal reasons and to search for these kind of situations so now you also have to be worried they are reading this right now and the next person that comes in with a car that looks to have money shifted they will probably think this is your post lol.

i would have this removed now since you have basically all the info

Jeff@TopGearSolutions · 04-16-2012, 10:36 AM

Max rev's are stored, they will know eitherway. That's why the call it the money shift....

You can have a tree land on your car, that way the insurance totals it... lol

Alan l. · 04-16-2012, 10:58 AM

This sucks. If its bad enough for oil to spew out of the motor that most likely means you blew a hole somewhere in your engine and its going to require a full motor swap/rebuild.

Been there done that with my old car but it was still able to start. Only bent the valves.

One of those life lessons you'll never learn until you experience it.

Alan

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ETS Michael Major 76 Rep 1,155 Posts Drives: 335i Join Date: May 2009 Location: Vancouver, WA iTrader: (4)	Most money shifts i have seen consist of a rod sticking out of the block. Good luck man.
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username604 Colonel 124 Rep 2,554 Posts Drives: bmw Join Date: Sep 2010 Location: repair shop iTrader: (0) Garage List 2008 BMW 335i [10.00]	Get the car moving, put it into a barrier, tell them you money shifted which caused the crash. Insurance should take care of you then. Is it possible to add mis-shifting to your insurance policy? OP is not the first guy on this board to lose an engine on 2nd gear. I guess you can just change the position of your hand as you row gears, and that's a sort-of insurance against messing up. Good luck OP, it's just money, and it'll come and go.
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Tzu Lieutenant Colonel 29 Rep 1,551 Posts Drives: 335i Join Date: Jun 2010 Location: Toronto iTrader: (1)	This is a fail of a thread. OP money shifted. OP pays. End thread.
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kalamokid Private First Class 17 Rep 174 Posts Drives: 335i Coupe Join Date: Jan 2012 Location: Toronto iTrader: (0)	How far back can BMW see the over rev condition? Also, would revving to redline in first and second not replicate the same code?
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335(EX)(EYE) Banned 51 Rep 1,497 Posts Drives: e90 n54 & n55 / e46 330ci DD Join Date: Oct 2011 Location: Harrisburg PA iTrader: (14)	holy crap dude i feel bad for u brotha. you should really be honest, and if ur dealership is a dick, go to a new one and tell them what happened, or at ur usual dealership just ask to sit down with the SA's manager, iv had great sucess when not speaking to the SA. SA are really worthless, my old SA was against my turbo replacement, and i went straight to the manager and he took care of it for me, which he really shouldnt have considering what they knew ITS ALL RELATIONSHIPS/CONNECTIONS MY FRIEND THEY WILL GET YOU A LONG LONG WAY.
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cleex024 Lieutenant Colonel 104 Rep 1,529 Posts Drives: 2008 BMW 335i Coupe Join Date: Mar 2011 Location: Woodbridge iTrader: (2)	what i dont get is how can u money shift so bad? do you even have a ssk? it seems so obvious when u are in 2nd and 4th that i just dont see myself ever money shifting...its so obvious im not even going to knock on wood lol. but whats done is done i suppose and i would just be honest also just like everyone is saying...cause seriously you are not going to be able to get away with i was revving high. they will know exactly what happened when they go into the dme and probably will see a rod through the engine so will probably be assuming thats what you did so lying about this whole situation will only lead to more headaches. this is a lesson learned and just try to find a better way to resolve this issue...maybe through your insurance __________________ Space Gray l 6MT l OSG LSD w/ VAC Race Diff Cover l Cobb e30 l Morr vs8.2 l UUC SSK w/ DSSR l VSRF Catless Dps l RPI Intercooler l CDV Removed l HID AE 8000k l ETS Catback l AST 5200 w/ Vorshlag Camber Plates l ER Dual Oil Coolers l Rear Camber and Toe Arms l K&N Drop In l Solid Tranny/Diff/Subframe Bushings l Bridgestone RE-11
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