New product: Rogue Engineering Front Tension Rod/Arm Upgraded Bushing

HP Autosport · 09-18-2013, 12:32 AM

Get in Control!

Are you looking for more control over the front end of your E82 1M/E9X M3/1 and 3-series with retrofitted M3 arms? We've got the solution for you!

While the stock front tension arm bushings are designed to offer a compliant ride while trying to control the front, it cannot overcome age, added power, or increase use (like at the track). This front bushing takes a large share of the suspension load under braking and hard cornering. Our solution is designed to to outlast and outperform the factory bushing in many ways.

Rogue Engineering's Tension Arm Bushings (TABs) is an elegant, engineered solution to this issue.

Rogue Engineering's TABs are designed allow the thrust arm to move without this spring load, but instead, allowing movement though its range without this specific resistance. By allowing the center bolt sleeve to pivot instead of our custom urethane-silicone bushings smoothly, there is no unnecessary wear and tear.

Our exclusive, made in USA, urethane bushing has all the same properties as the other bushings Rogue Engineering produces. A special silicone formula is injected into each and every bushing mold during the casting process to ensure a lubricious film impregnated at all times (even without grease!).

Another Urethane Bushing?

Some will try to compare the Rogue Engineering Thrust Arm Bushings to a currently available urethane replacements. There is a big difference! Instead of using urethane to control the entire area of deflection, we've engineered an aluminum housing to reduce the ID of the hole of the thrust arm bushing. By doing this, we can fine tune the urethane compound so that we can get performance without unwanted NVH. In order to get our level of deflection control, other companies would have to make their entire bushing so incredibly hard that their product would either vibrate, squeak or both!

Less unwanted bushing deflection means more control! Take control of your BMW! These bushings are available in our STREET compound (black) or TRACK compound (blue).

This product fits the following vehicles:

E9X M3, including Coupe, Sedan and Convertible
E9X 3-series with E9X M3 front tension arm retrofitted
E82 1 M Coupe
E8x 1-series with E9x M3 tension arm retrofitted

More details here:

http://www.1addicts.com/forums/showthread.php?t=888312

CJ421 · 09-18-2013, 12:52 PM

There are similar kits out there; Dinan has one, and TC Kline.

VAC did the TCK front kit for me which is solid aluminum:
http://www.tcklineracing.com/webdocs...Details880.cfm
It looks like the Rogue kit is more geared towards the street since it uses urethane. That said, I have noticed no increase/change in NVH with the TCK kit.

Practically speaking an upgrade like this will eliminate the tendency of our car's front end to toe-out under heavy braking, which is caused by deflection. Even the harder bushings on the M3 components will deflect under that load. A tell is the front end feeling slightly nervous - you'll find yourself doing slight back and forth corrections with the steering wheel in the braking zone. This upgrade mitigates that... the car will just brake straight. Sounds like the Rogue will still allow a little deflection but for $239, quite forgivable (TCK is $500).

Either way, I would only consider this for a car that sees considerable track use.

HP Autosport · 09-19-2013, 02:02 PM

Here is a custom version(using a BMW joint) we have been running on the 1M. There is a slight bit more NVH vs the OEM bushing.

The RE kit can also be had in the track compound for even less deflection, but because of the increase in NVH it's not recommended for street use.

This RE kit is definite easier on the wallet and a great upgrade for anyone already running the 1M/M3 front tension arms.

vasillalov · 09-19-2013, 10:15 PM

Looks pretty good! Do these fit the M3 tension rods?

HP Autosport · 09-20-2013, 10:24 AM

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Originally Posted by vasillalov

Looks pretty good! Do these fit the M3 tension rods?

Yes, the RE bushings fit right into the M3 tension rods.

robc1976 · 09-20-2013, 07:17 PM

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Originally Posted by HP Autosport

Yes, the RE bushings fit right into the M3 tension rods.

Mine are on the way, I am guessing these press in like a differential bushing?

HP Autosport · 09-21-2013, 06:32 PM

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Originally Posted by robc1976

Mine are on the way, I am guessing these press in like a differential bushing?

Yes, press out the existing bushing and press in these RE upgraded ones.

HP Autosport · 09-22-2013, 05:10 PM

NVH increase is minimum if any. Responsiveness is greatly improved!

This is a great alternative to the bearing style, which isn't as street friendly.

robc1976 · 09-22-2013, 05:57 PM

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Originally Posted by HP Autosport

NVH increase is minimum if any. Responsiveness is greatly improved!

This is a great alternative to the bearing style, which isn't as street friendly.

Man I can't wait.....you're driving me crazy with these pics! This pic I think answered my other question...when you press the bushing in it bottoms out on the collar....is there a certain direction it should be pressed in I.E collar toward front of car or collar toward rear of car? They look easy to press in by there design

HP Autosport · 09-22-2013, 11:33 PM

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Originally Posted by robc1976

Man I can't wait.....you're driving me crazy with these pics! This pic I think answered my other question...when you press the bushing in it bottoms out on the collar....is there a certain direction it should be pressed in I.E collar toward front of car or collar toward rear of car? They look easy to press in by there design

The collar is pressed in away from the center of the car. If you use the FMIC as a reference point, the collar should be on the other side of the tension rod.

The more I drive my 1M with these the more I like the increase in responsiveness. The road feed back is also greatly improved. The vehicle is also a lot more stable under heavy braking as toe changes are minimized.

robc1976 · 09-25-2013, 08:36 PM

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Originally Posted by HP Autosport

The collar is pressed in away from the center of the car. If you use the FMIC as a reference point, the collar should be on the other side of the tension rod.

The more I drive my 1M with these the more I like the increase in responsiveness. The road feed back is also greatly improved. The vehicle is also a lot more stable under heavy braking as toe changes are minimized.

so judging by your pic the large flange point towards the fog lights (outside of car). Also Harold, cab we use suspension/bearing grease for lubrication on these bushings...I am sure it is fine but want to ask.

robc1976 · 09-25-2013, 08:37 PM

The kit is so sweet! Great quality...going a DIY now.

HP Autosport · 09-25-2013, 10:19 PM

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Originally Posted by robc1976

The kit is so sweet! Great quality...going a DIY now.

Synthetic grease is okay to use.

robc1976 · 09-27-2013, 11:12 AM

This is one hell of a product! One hell of a vendor to

here is a DIY:

http://www.e90post.com/forums/showth...1#post14728990

HighPSI · 09-27-2013, 01:19 PM

I wish these were available 2 months ago before I installed my m3 arms

HP Autosport · 10-03-2013, 04:20 PM

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Originally Posted by HighPSI

I wish these were available 2 months ago before I installed my m3 arms

It's never too late to get a set and upgrade now!

Blackhawk36 · 10-09-2013, 04:38 PM

sounds like a good time to upgrade for me. The dealer just told me that I need new front thrust arms. I am assuming that they are talking about the front lower control arm. Am I correct. There is one in the front that goes at an angle from a point on the carrier in front of the front wheel to the hub and one that goes straight from the carrier to the hub.

robc1976 · 10-09-2013, 04:48 PM

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Originally Posted by Blackhawk36

sounds like a good time to upgrade for me. The dealer just told me that I need new front thrust arms. I am assuming that they are talking about the front lower control arm. Am I correct. There is one in the front that goes at an angle from a point on the carrier in front of the front wheel to the hub and one that goes straight from the carrier to the hub.

Upper control arm....here is a pic (upper pieces are the thrust arms that get upgraded and must be M3).

HP Autosport · 10-09-2013, 09:45 PM

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Originally Posted by Blackhawk36

sounds like a good time to upgrade for me. The dealer just told me that I need new front thrust arms. I am assuming that they are talking about the front lower control arm. Am I correct. There is one in the front that goes at an angle from a point on the carrier in front of the front wheel to the hub and one that goes straight from the carrier to the hub.

It's the one that is not straight in the photo posted in a thread above.

This will also be a good time to upgrade to the RE front tension rod bushings for maximum steering response and better stability under heavy braking.

robc1976 · 10-09-2013, 09:55 PM

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Originally Posted by HP Autosport

It's the one that is not straight in the photo posted in a thread above.

This will also be a good time to upgrade to the RE front tension rod bushings for maximum steering response and better stability under heavy braking.

One of the best upgrades I have done....honestly changed the car!

Blackhawk36 · 10-10-2013, 09:31 AM

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Originally Posted by HP Autosport

It's the one that is not straight in the photo posted in a thread above.

This will also be a good time to upgrade to the RE front tension rod bushings for maximum steering response and better stability under heavy braking.

Can you tell me what to order. 2007 E90, N54. Straight stock. no sport package, no x-drive.

HP Autosport · 10-10-2013, 11:47 AM

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Originally Posted by Blackhawk36

Can you tell me what to order. 2007 E90, N54. Straight stock. no sport package, no x-drive.

For the RE bushings only, just go to the following link and select the "street" bushings:

http://www.hpashop.com/Rogue-Enginee...-E9x-M-TAB.htm

For the complete control arm with the option to add the RE bushings, please go here:

http://www.hpashop.com/BMW-E82-90-92...ms-e82-e9x.htm

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HP Autosport Supreme Allied Commander 3843 Rep 54,376 Posts Drives: F80 M3 Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: Santa Barbara, AP, Brembo, GIAC, Koni, Ohlins, Performance Friction, www.hpautosport.com iTrader: (36)	New product: Rogue Engineering Front Tension Rod/Arm Upgraded Bushing Get in Control! Are you looking for more control over the front end of your E82 1M/E9X M3/1 and 3-series with retrofitted M3 arms? We've got the solution for you! While the stock front tension arm bushings are designed to offer a compliant ride while trying to control the front, it cannot overcome age, added power, or increase use (like at the track). This front bushing takes a large share of the suspension load under braking and hard cornering. Our solution is designed to to outlast and outperform the factory bushing in many ways. Rogue Engineering's Tension Arm Bushings (TABs) is an elegant, engineered solution to this issue. Rogue Engineering's TABs are designed allow the thrust arm to move without this spring load, but instead, allowing movement though its range without this specific resistance. By allowing the center bolt sleeve to pivot instead of our custom urethane-silicone bushings smoothly, there is no unnecessary wear and tear. Our exclusive, made in USA, urethane bushing has all the same properties as the other bushings Rogue Engineering produces. A special silicone formula is injected into each and every bushing mold during the casting process to ensure a lubricious film impregnated at all times (even without grease!). Another Urethane Bushing? Some will try to compare the Rogue Engineering Thrust Arm Bushings to a currently available urethane replacements. There is a big difference! Instead of using urethane to control the entire area of deflection, we've engineered an aluminum housing to reduce the ID of the hole of the thrust arm bushing. By doing this, we can fine tune the urethane compound so that we can get performance without unwanted NVH. In order to get our level of deflection control, other companies would have to make their entire bushing so incredibly hard that their product would either vibrate, squeak or both! Less unwanted bushing deflection means more control! Take control of your BMW! These bushings are available in our STREET compound (black) or TRACK compound (blue). This product fits the following vehicles: E9X M3, including Coupe, Sedan and Convertible E9X 3-series with E9X M3 front tension arm retrofitted E82 1 M Coupe E8x 1-series with E9x M3 tension arm retrofitted More details here: http://www.1addicts.com/forums/showthread.php?t=888312 Attached Images Last edited by HP Autosport; 09-19-2013 at 01:48 PM..
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CJ421 Brigadier General 1559 Rep 4,109 Posts Drives: BMW M3 Join Date: Feb 2011 Location: Blue Bell, PA iTrader: (1) Garage List 2024 BMW M3 Sedan [9.50]	There are similar kits out there; Dinan has one, and TC Kline. VAC did the TCK front kit for me which is solid aluminum: http://www.tcklineracing.com/webdocs...Details880.cfm It looks like the Rogue kit is more geared towards the street since it uses urethane. That said, I have noticed no increase/change in NVH with the TCK kit. Practically speaking an upgrade like this will eliminate the tendency of our car's front end to toe-out under heavy braking, which is caused by deflection. Even the harder bushings on the M3 components will deflect under that load. A tell is the front end feeling slightly nervous - you'll find yourself doing slight back and forth corrections with the steering wheel in the braking zone. This upgrade mitigates that... the car will just brake straight. Sounds like the Rogue will still allow a little deflection but for $239, quite forgivable (TCK is $500). Either way, I would only consider this for a car that sees considerable track use. __________________ 2024 BMW M3 Sedan Frozen Pure Grey II/Fjord Blue, 6MT Past: 2021 Z4 M40i Frozen Grey II/Black Alcantara \| 2017 F30 340i Mineral Gray/Coral Red, 6MT \| 2011 E92 335i Le Mans Blue/Black, 6MT
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