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      11-17-2012, 02:07 PM   #23
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^ Those look like heim joints too
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      11-17-2012, 03:59 PM   #24
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From reading other threads seems like there's been longevity problems to a certain extent or another with all after market toes?
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      11-18-2012, 08:59 AM   #25
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From reading other threads seems like there's been longevity problems to a certain extent or another with all after market toes?

Yes. 6 months seems to be typical, life of a Heim joint before clicking's heard, parts knockin' with wear. Find in colder weather, no click, maybe later.

To a manufacturer, they're easily available and being an industry standard, seem ideal for the job.

Yet, particularly without a dust & dirt boot, they wear quick. Replacement joints may be installed, but at half or more the original cost of toe arms and needing a rear alignment after install; PITA down time w/labor cost for non-DIY, it's a sizable expense most discover with experience.

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Purchasing Megan toe arms to resolve clicking issue. Was wary of rubber introducing inaccuracy, but those who install 'em love 'em, to a man - zero bad reports. Could Megan's installed base be wrong?
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I would of thought Megan's would of been the last choice to go with. But I may just keep stock ones on there and not introduce another maintenance / problem to my aging car.
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I would of thought Megan's would of been the last choice to go with. But I may just keep stock ones on there and not introduce another maintenance / problem to my aging car.

Now that ya mention it, have to check if stock arms fit w/M3 camber arm - I do still have all of my stock parts.
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      11-18-2012, 11:00 AM   #28
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They should
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I would of thought Megan's would of been the last choice to go with.
Why do you say that?
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Why do you say that?
Seems more jdm type brand after my minimal research.
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Seems more jdm type brand after my minimal research.
Well Megan Racing typically don't make anything of their own but rather rebrand from other companies. In this case, these arms are said to have been made by Hardrace. They utilize a sealed ball joint with a nylon race that is essentially the same type of joint used in the M3 toe arms. All other aftermarket toe arms that I have come across for our platform use spherical/heim joints that can wear out easily.
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good info
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so it sounds like megans are the ones to go with?
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so it sounds like megans are the ones to go with?
How are Meyle arms constructed?

An academic question.

May re-install my stock arms to verify my problem - if as I think, Megans are my final solution.
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Hey CALWATERBOY, how did the Megan Toe Arms work out? Did they wear out just like HPA arms did?
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I had them on my E92 335i for over a year and roughly 30k miles. Zero issues whatsoever.
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I had them on my E92 335i for over a year and roughly 30k miles. Zero issues whatsoever.
Ahh perfect thanks for the input!

Do you/anyone know the difference between Megan Racing Version 1, Version 2, Manzo Toe arms?

Are the joints inferior in the V1 / Manzo toe arms?
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Given their short life - installed this year - I'll prob not do Heim's again.

No regrets, worked well, but longevity's an issue.
FWIW, I've got about 20Kmi on RE toe arms that I replaced the bog awful FK ballends with Aurora Performance Race ballends and they're tight as new. The Seals-It seals could do with replacing though. Like any other Heim jointed arm they creak and pop with movement as do the ones installed in the upper link locations.

What's the mfg of the ballends? And did you install Seals-It seals on them?

Yeah, it's an old thread but the above info would helpful for anyone searching in the future.
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I realize this is an old thread but, I'm looking at the construction of these and they look like they are properly sealed. Maybe I have a newer design?

For the people that have had short life with these, I am curious if the bolts tightened down while the car was on the jack or at ride height? If the are tightened while the suspension is unloaded and fully extended, the bushings will be twisted when the car is lowered rather than in a neutral position. This will cause them to fail prematurely.
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@EVC thanks for the info.

@all, any update on any of these aftermarket solid rod end toe arm longevity over the years?
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I realize this is an old thread but, I'm looking at the construction of these and they look like they are properly sealed. Maybe I have a newer design?

For the people that have had short life with these, I am curious if the bolts tightened down while the car was on the jack or at ride height? If the are tightened while the suspension is unloaded and fully extended, the bushings will be twisted when the car is lowered rather than in a neutral position. This will cause them to fail prematurely.
ball joints don't need to be torqued at ride height.
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Hey guys.

We have manufactured rear toe arms for the e82 and e9x non-M. The design principle is a curved arm, but with dimensions better suited to the non-M suspension.

These are made of billet 6061-T6 aluminum and have been precision CNC machined to accept either balljoints or bushings (which can be either stock bushings or much stiffer Group N bushings, or even polyurethane bushings like those from Powerflex and other suppliers), or any combination of balljoints and bushings depending on individual preferences. They can be anodized in any colour. They can also be made either in the standard length (412 mm) or +3 mm for extra toe.

Because you can select balljoints or bushings, or any combination, you can tweak your effective spring rates in increments (measured in lb/in). So, for example, on effective spring rates:

- 2 balljoints: 0
- 1 balljoint and 1 regular bushing: 15
- 2 regular bushings: 30
- 1 balljoint and 1 Group N: 56
- 1 regular bushing and 1 Group N: 71
- 2 Group N: 112

Assuming the contribution of a full set of stock bushings is an equivalent of 109 lb/in, then that can be fully compensated with a set of MRP toe arms with 2 Group N bushings, and the other 4 arms can be only balljoints...

Just trying to gauge interest at this point so please reply if you might be interested in this product...

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Hey guys.

We have manufactured rear toe arms for the e82 and e9x non-M. The design principle is a curved arm, but with dimensions better suited to the non-M suspension.

These are made of billet 6061-T6 aluminum and have been precision CNC machined to accept either balljoints or bushings (which can be either stock bushings or much stiffer Group N bushings, or even polyurethane bushings like those from Powerflex and other suppliers), or any combination of balljoints and bushings depending on individual preferences. They can be anodized in any colour. They can also be made either in the standard length (412 mm) or +3 mm for extra toe.

Because you can select balljoints or bushings, or any combination, you can tweak your effective spring rates in increments (measured in lb/in). So, for example, on effective spring rates:

- 2 balljoints: 0
- 1 balljoint and 1 regular bushing: 15
- 2 regular bushings: 30
- 1 balljoint and 1 Group N: 56
- 1 regular bushing and 1 Group N: 71
- 2 Group N: 112

Assuming the contribution of a full set of stock bushings is an equivalent of 109 lb/in, then that can be fully compensated with a set of MRP toe arms with 2 Group N bushings, and the other 4 arms can be only balljoints...

Just trying to gauge interest at this point so please reply if you might be interested in this product...

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Definitely!
Orb made something similar years ago.
I'm interested in harder rubber bushings not bearings
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The Group N are much much harder, and contribute considerable effective spring rate, but they are pricy.

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