[BlkGS]

I disagree with the idea that "doing crazy shit with design" is good.

Crazy and different for the sake of different is stupid. Different because of a valid reason, sure. But different just to stand out and be different, no.

[dreamingat30fps]

Originally Posted by BlkGS

I disagree with the idea that "doing crazy shit with design" is good.

Crazy and different for the sake of different is stupid. Different because of a valid reason, sure. But different just to stand out and be different, no.

You can disagree but design is subjective. Your crazy shit is someone else's not crazy and just what they’ve been waiting for.

Like fake grills on EVs… why???

[M5Rick]

Originally Posted by BlkGS

The shit resale value of EVs will eventually work itself out. If they're cheap enough, people will buy them. Like if I could get a Taycan Cross Turismo Turbo S for like $50k, I'd accept the trade offs it has for price. But dealers are bringing them in for topuch money and then never sell them

Or well, in the case of the Taycan Porsche dealers won't even take them in on trade because they can't sell them.

The wasp has a huge sting for the unwary even at seemingly bargain price, battery degradation and limited use.
Cue for this one.

[kyriian]

Originally Posted by dreamingat30fps

You can disagree but design is subjective. Your crazy shit is someone else's not crazy and just what they’ve been waiting for.

Like fake grills on EVs… why???

If the design intent is to do 'crazy shit' and that's the target audience then its fine, but I hope even Franz von Holzhausen, as much of a Musk fanatic he is, understand that the appeal will be limited to that target audience and unlikely to reach mass appeal.

The original concept was sold on a much too lofty price and some typical Musk style promises that never quite delivered, obviously many who plop down cash for one back then saw that as the appeal and accepted the controversial design as a trade-off, and bailed when those appealing points no longer exists once the truck is in production.

For fake grills, I have a suspicion it is more for familiarity for public appeal. EVs can be anything technically, but psychology of a typical car buyer likely still see a 'face' in their cars, and without a grille there it can appear foreign, even frightening.

[dreamingat30fps]

Originally Posted by kyriian

If the design intent is to do 'crazy shit' and that's the target audience then its fine, but I hope even Franz von Holzhausen, as much of a Musk fanatic he is, understand that the appeal will be limited to that target audience and unlikely to reach mass appeal.

I think there’s enough people who will like it. At least for the cybertruck. Honestly the only thing holding it back IMO is the price and the fact it’s an EV “truck”. I think that limits the market much more than its looks.

The original concept was sold on a much too lofty price and some typical Musk style promises that never quite delivered, obviously many who plop down cash for one back then saw that as the appeal and accepted the controversial design as a trade-off, and bailed when those appealing points no longer exists once the truck is in production.

I wont argue against that. The man is the king of vaporware. I feel like he has no filter between his brain and his mouth. He WANTS the cybertruck to cost $40k or whatever they had announced originally so he just says that's going to be the price even though they have no idea if that’s even possible. Their latest cyber taxi event was totally fake. No actually real info on anything, just hopes and dreams.

That being said just because he’s usually full of shit doesn’t mean I will take credit away from what he’s actually done (and by him I mean a whole team of engineers etc). I personally think he single handedly popularized EVs (for better or worse depending on your views). Still today IMO Tesla offers the best EV experience. Maybe you don’t want that and that’s fine, but if you do… Tesla is the best from all the other EVs I’ve tried.

Even the “full self driving” which I think is his biggest scam/vaporware is actually very impressive. They did a 30 day trial for everyone a few months back so I got to try it (I’m certainly not paying for it) and I was impressed. Would I let it actually drive me by itself? Fuck no! However what it can do is still pretty impressive. His hype is what makes it a let down.

For fake grills, I have a suspicion it is more for familiarity for public appeal. EVs can be anything technically, but psychology of a typical car buyer likely still see a 'face' in their cars, and without a grille there it can appear foreign, even frightening.

That’s kind of my point. Everyone is playing it safe because that’s what people are use to. That’s why I like the idea of the “crazy” cybertruck design. Even the other models they have done away with the fake grills in a much for subdued fashion. Someone has to be the one who says having a grill on a EV is stupid and is limiting our design possibilities… we are not going to do it and yes they may pay for it with less sales, but if no one does it we will have the same shit forever.

[BlkGS]

Cybertrucks looks are absolutely limited it's sales. While it's price, poor build quality, and kind of uselessness also don't help it, discounting it's looks as driving people away as well is silly.

Personally, I think the right way to do an EV is toake.it a duplicate of the ICE version. F150 Lightning is a decent example, it's an F150 with an EV powertrain, though admittedly they should have gone EVEN MORE that way so it would have received the two refreshes it's missed. BMW is doing this with the I40, i5, i7, and it's a great choice, make the EV just a powertrain swap of the normal vehicle, le enraging the platform to reduce costs. Plus then you don't end up with something dorky looking like most EVs.

[gblansten]

Originally Posted by BlkGS

Cybertrucks looks are absolutely limited it's sales. While it's price, poor build quality, and kind of uselessness also don't help it, discounting it's looks as driving people away as well is silly.

Personally, I think the right way to do an EV is toake.it a duplicate of the ICE version. F150 Lightning is a decent example, it's an F150 with an EV powertrain, though admittedly they should have gone EVEN MORE that way so it would have received the two refreshes it's missed. BMW is doing this with the I40, i5, i7, and it's a great choice, make the EV just a powertrain swap of the normal vehicle, le enraging the platform to reduce costs. Plus then you don't end up with something dorky looking like most EVs.

Tesla is likely very excited about CT sales.

KBB said. “In fact, Cybertruck outsold every other available EV except for two – Tesla’s popular Model Y and Model 3.”

https://www.forbes.com/sites/brookec...price-crashes/

Per Sawyer Merritt on X.com

NEWS: The $100,000 Tesla Cybertruck (16,692 units) outsold the combined sales of all these EV pickup trucks in Q3:

• Ford F-150 Lightning: 7,162
• Hummer EV: 4,305
• Rivian R1T: 3,817
• GMC Sierra EV: 387