My Turbos are going to love this: AR RHD Catless DP's

GeorgeSmooth · 10-04-2009, 12:05 PM

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Originally Posted by ar design

Shoot me an email with some pics. I wish you would have gotten in contact with me so I could have gotten you taken care of *before* posting or modifying the pipes.

We try our hardest to make sure customers are 100% satisfied - but you have to give us a chance

I was not planning to post the pics until the thread was brought alive again. It took me close to a month in shipping time to receive the pipes so I didn't want to get involved in shipping things to and from the States. Modifying the pipes where no biggy in my books as I don't pay labor etc and my car was down with a broken diff anyway so it was a opportunity to investigate and solve the problem. I have been waiting for the Australian guys to fit theirs and hear reviews on fitment prior to make my experience public. But if E92Fan fitted them so many times and measured correctly etc then this is a once of occasion unless some one else has a similar problem.
The only pics I have are the ones that I have posted and a few more which where taken by a cell phone.

645Nm · 10-04-2009, 02:02 PM

Damn...GSmooth, sorry to hear abut all the fitment issues. I was so happy for you. What you have experienced is completely unacceptable and i hope that AR will possitively respond even if it is a belated fix. We have been raving about the quality of the AR pipes in Cape Town as the best alternative to the other DPs but this is a concern. What are the options AR?

e.n335 · 10-04-2009, 02:11 PM

There are so many options, different heating systems, different cooling systems, active steering, manual vs. auto etc. so that no vendor has the chance to get a proof for all possible different configurations. They might have not ever heared about some possible configurations in different countries.

I saw the tight fit of my modded OEM DP's ( the catalysts are a tiny bit thicker, HJS 200 cell ) due to my auto transmission. No wonder that there are 3" DP fitment issues on some cars. BTW, a masterpiece of engineering ... the OEM catalysts heat up the auto transmission

.

Take it as a chance, it's a learning curve and help AR to relocate the O2 sensor bung and I'm sure AR will appreciate. However, I question whether their catted DP's throw codes or not.

Cheers,
Eugen

Ferre86 · 10-04-2009, 02:14 PM

i still regret that i got UR DP's

Alpina_B3_Lux · 10-04-2009, 03:44 PM

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Originally Posted by e.n335

BTW, a masterpiece of engineering ... the OEM catalysts heat up the auto transmission

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I got the ar catted dps and got quite some heat radiating into the lower region of the cabin as well (coming from the transmission tunnel); I suppose this comes from the catalysts. One reason I'll try to go with catless dps next (ceramic coated ones from ar design). Should work better, I hope.

Alpina_B3_Lux

P.S. My catted dps didn't throw any codes, btw. But I only had them for 400km until I got the flash where the O2 sensors were deactivated anyway.

WOPALX · 10-04-2009, 04:57 PM

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Originally Posted by ar design

Shoot me an email with some pics. I wish you would have gotten in contact with me so I could have gotten you taken care of *before* posting or modifying the pipes.

We try our hardest to make sure customers are 100% satisfied - but you have to give us a chance

Why do vendors insist on keeping stuff on the QT when there are issues

, especially when they are not pre-production items.

George please post the pics here so all those interested in RHD pipes can see the potential issues themselves.

MFKN3 · 10-04-2009, 09:16 PM

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Originally Posted by Sparky66

GeorgeSmooth
I almost had a coronary yesterday with your woes and I was sweating on your fitment issues as mine are on the way.
What a difference a day makes, now I'm looking forward to it............Well Done

Did you get yours in yet mate?

GeorgeSmooth · 10-05-2009, 09:41 AM

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Originally Posted by WOPALX

Why do vendors insist on keeping stuff on the QT when there are issues

, especially when they are not pre-production items.

George please post the pics here so all those interested in RHD pipes can see the potential issues themselves.

There are some pictures on Page 2 of this thread.

Mr. 5 · 10-05-2009, 09:49 AM

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Originally Posted by GeorgeSmooth

There are some pictures on Page 2 of this thread.

If you're talking about this post then all I get is red Xs.
Will you attach them please?
http://www.e90post.com/forums/showpo...5&postcount=34

WOPALX · 10-05-2009, 03:46 PM

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Originally Posted by GeorgeSmooth

There are some pictures on Page 2 of this thread.

Might just be me but I cannot see any pictures on page 2. Can see the pics on page 1 though......

Mr. 5 · 10-05-2009, 03:49 PM

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Originally Posted by WOPALX

Might just be me but I cannot see any pictures on page 2. Can see the pics on page 1 though......

That's why I asked him to attach the pics instead of linking them.

To whom ever can see the pics, please save them to your hard drive and then attach them so we all can view them.
You can delete the pics after you attach them.
Thanks!

GeorgeSmooth · 10-05-2009, 03:52 PM

http://img40.imageshack.us/img40/2788/image001yzo.jpg

http://img8.imageshack.us/img8/3669/image002aq.jpg

http://img410.imageshack.us/img410/4561/image017jf.jpg

Mr.5 I hope you can see them now.

WOPALX · 10-05-2009, 03:57 PM

Thanks, looks like you had to move the mounting point a fair way?

GeorgeSmooth · 10-05-2009, 04:08 PM

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Originally Posted by WOPALX

Thanks, looks like you had to move the mounting point a fair way?

It seems far away but don't think thats how far out AR was with the original. A couple of millimeters would of done the trick but I preferred just to plug the hole.
Can anyone chime in if the steering column moves when you move the steering position up and down. I know on my E36 M3 it did. There is a slight possibility that is what might of went wrong with the AR measuring.

Sparky66 · 10-06-2009, 07:30 AM

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Originally Posted by GeorgeSmooth

There is a set that is in Australia at the moment which I am waiting to hear the guys experience before I conclude for myself if they are RHD compatible or if there are serious fitment secrets that I must have missed.

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Originally Posted by xsboost

Did you get yours in yet mate?

Sorry fella's....................but I've been in and out of hospital and quite sick over the last month.
I've yet to fit my DP's so can't give you any positive feedback yet. Might be a pattern of fitment differences related between E90 and E92's and their specific build dates. Since my car is very closely related to E92Fan's car, I'm hoping I won't have any issues.

Sparky66 · 10-06-2009, 07:35 AM

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Originally Posted by GeorgeSmooth

Can anyone chime in if the steering column moves when you move the steering position up and down. I know on my E36 M3 it did. There is a slight possibility that is what might of went wrong with the AR measuring.

That's a very valid point. Obvoiusly everyone adjusts the steering wheel to suit themselves. If this adjustment moves the steering shaft ever so slightly, this may account why some RHD guys are experiencing issues and others are not................it's a long shot but one that needs further investigation.

GeorgeSmooth · 10-06-2009, 09:39 AM

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Originally Posted by Sparky66

That's a very valid point. Obvoiusly everyone adjusts the steering wheel to suit themselves. If this adjustment moves the steering shaft ever so slightly, this may account why some RHD guys are experiencing issues and others are not................it's a long shot but one that needs further investigation.

I am going to test this out tonight and let you guys know.

645Nm · 10-06-2009, 02:38 PM

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Originally Posted by e.n335

... so that no vendor has the chance to get a proof for all possible different configurations. They might have not ever heared about some possible configurations in different countries.
Eugen

I agree. I am always congisant of purchasing hardware across the Atlantic & understand there will be a margin of error due to the various configurations. I respect this view.

I am also not questioning the quality of the AR Dps...this speaks for itself...

I hope AR can assist & advise GSmooth on a design fix (if possible at this stage)...since this will help future purchases for simillar configurations.

GeorgeSmooth · 10-06-2009, 03:56 PM

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Originally Posted by 645Nm

I hope AR can assist & advise GSmooth on a design fix (if possible at this stage)...since this will help future purchases for simillar configurations.

You mean that you hope GSmooth advises and assist AR with a design fix.

ar design · 10-06-2009, 04:49 PM

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Originally Posted by GeorgeSmooth

You mean that you hope GSmooth advises and assist AR with a design fix.

George,

Please shoot me an email with your findings on the column - we would *greatly* appreciate it, and would love to work with you to find a solution.

GeorgeSmooth · 10-06-2009, 05:44 PM

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Originally Posted by ar design

George,

Please shoot me an email with your findings on the column - we would *greatly* appreciate it, and would love to work with you to find a solution.

I just bought the replacement Lambda today ($475

the agents really screw you) and when I take the car in to fit it I will take some good pictures. I was not available when the DP's where fixed and I had a issue of a broken diff to sort out at the same time which was a bigger priority. I only managed to take some cell phone pics, some of which I posted here.
I will fit the new lambda into the original position on the front turbo and actually move the steering up and down and see what it does (I am pretty short and I sit low in the car thus pulling the steering wheel to its lowest position which is closest to the DP). I will take pics of this so we can see what is happening. I will then put the car under load on the dyno and see what the motor does in relation to the lambda and the steering column. I did not see what the rear one was touching against but a dent was found on the lambda, this could of been caused by fitting the dowpipe with the lambda in place. I will ask and see. The problem is that the vibration was on idle too. It is now completely gone and the down pipes are a real pleasure with no competition in terms of power output or quality.
The question is that if the DP's fit the RHD cars correctly, which you and many people say they do then there must be something seriously wrong with my car which concerns me.
I know the South African and Australian cars are manufactured locally. Are the UK cars made in Europe? If the Aus dudes have similar problems then it means there is a difference to the UK and maybe the Asian Cars.
If they fit perfectly on the Australian cars then I have to start searching as something is wrong with mine.

645Nm · 10-07-2009, 02:12 AM

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Originally Posted by GeorgeSmooth

You mean that you hope GSmooth advises and assist AR with a design fix.

Yes...i hope this is possible? ...just for the community...part of our social responsibility...

The price of the lambda's are ridiculous...i had to replace 2 sensors in 2007 (not due to catless) and the price was then about 475us each...crazy. 4 Will be the price of new upgraded turbos...damn

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