[hl0m4n]

its just human nature i guess. we all want money. they completed many sales with v2 here and now the new hot thing is the evo which will be a new hot sale for them and will sell like cakes as the procede did here. after hype and sales from the evo he will move on to next project and start over. its all about the money here although customer support, continuous innovation, etc should be priority 1 in any business with any previous they have made.

[Car Enthusiast]

Agreed: all the CEL's, extremely high price, and similar hp/tq gains to tunes half the price (and less) makes the V2 a hard sell now. It'd be nice if they'd drop the price to make it more competitive...

[XLR8MF]

Some say hey abandoned the StI and Evo groups of the past. Their is a good chance that many of the new Evo owners will be past owners. Will they remember?

[radgator1]

One more thing hasn't been mentioned either, V2 has been a pretty big failure IMHO. No where near the promised numbers and lots of problems with boost stability, torque settings, speed limit delete, no DP map, Limp after Limp, etc. I honestly think most Vishnu customers were much happier with V1. And I hate to tell the OP but I think now that Helix is out and AA is coming out with a cheaper product, plus the excellent results and customer service from Burger Tuning, you will be lucky to get 700 for V2 with further downward pressure on it unless they come out with some pretty good new maps quickly.

[markymarc1979]

Around Christmas time, everybody had a Procede hard-on. That's all you would see arcoss the boards. I think guys are just getting bored with it and want to try something new. I think people are becoming to obsessed with tuning the N54. Procede is like a gateway drug. You tried it and now you want to try something different.

Personally I was never interested in Procede for three simple reasons.

1) Messy installation and removal

2) Limp mode and CEL

3) Price

An SSTT remedies all three.

[Ruff Rider]

It's really sad to see the same guys bitching every day about the procede. I have had my procede for almost a year with zero problems. I had questions for Vishnu, used their tech support and never went more then a day with out an answer. I guess when you act like an ass on the Internet you get treated like one. I would buy another procede if I needed a tune.

100% satisfied procede customer here

[De90man]

Originally Posted by XLR8MF

I'm not sure what you said needs to be moderated? If they are hard to sale then they are hard to sale. If you get 400rwhp then you get 400 rwhp. Fact is fact.
As far as the reasons why I think you nailed it.

So did people pay for the '400hp'...or did they pay to be part of the collective V2-smack-em down show put on by Shiv, which was highly entertaining to read

Yes, it makes hp, but it had problems (fact). And it was worth it to deal with the problems when Shiv was shaking his fist at folks (fact) thus making people feel good about their purchase (fact).

Terry let his device speak for him (in later months)...um, fact

[XLR8MF]

Originally Posted by Ruff Rider

It's really sad to see the same guys bitching every day about the procede. I have had my procede for almost a year with zero problems. I had questions for Vishnu, used their tech support and never went more then a day with out an answer. I guess when you act like an ass on the Internet you get treated like one. I would buy another procede if I needed a tune.

100% satisfied procede customer here

You are absolutely correct. That's why this thread is thriving.

[XLR8MF]

I am not sure if others feels the way I do but what this really comes down to is karma.
I had multiple, not one, but multiple problems with the Vishnu team and felt as if I was pawned off when I really needed someone's help. Do you want to really know who helped me fix my V2, Terry did! I know tons of people who felt the way I did and do but were afraid to be flamed. Hey, flame away! Shiv has improved customer service a great deal. But sometimes it is too little too late for some people (not all) and people remember. Am I jaded? Maybe a little, but I am just being honest. I am not trying to say the V2 is not great, it is. But the JB is as well with zero side effects. What goes around comes around. I have a feeling there are many other people who feel as I do.

[markymarc1979]

Forget about Procede. SSTT and SSTT2 (When it's released) is the shit!!!!! I can't wait.

[markymarc1979]

Messy installation?
Does the JB not require intercepting wires? For those who are unwilling or unable to do a little of their own work, or just lazy...you chastize it?

I wasn't talking about JB, I was talking about SSTT. Takes 30 seconds to install and remove


CELs and Limps?
Read the above comment on that. In my case, I'm fine.

I've seen more posts on this board about Procede causing limp and CEL. More then any other tuner. In fact I've never seen a JB user or an SSTT user compalin about limp and CEL

Price?
Ok, what does the price give you? Yes, more power. And that's all. Can you log? Can you adjust settings? Valet? Possibly learn? What other features do they have? Yes, I realize this functionality isn't there yet, but potential is a nice thing.

I couldn't care less about all those things. Leave the technical mumbo jumbo to the tuners. I'm a simple guy and I just want simple power. Nothing complicated. Just plug and go

[markymarc1979]

LOL it's seems like tuning products are like stocks on the stock market. They go up and down like a yo-yo. It's hilarious. We value products based on their popularity and hype. Christmas time. Procede was full price, couldn't even get them. Everyone was complaining about the wait. Now nobody wants them.

[jcarlucci1]

Originally Posted by markymarc1979

Forget about Procede. SSTT and SSTT2 (When it's released) is the shit!!!!! I can't wait.

C'mon say it, you know you want to..

SSTT is a __________

[imaznumkay]

Originally Posted by markymarc1979

LOL it's seems like tuning products are like stocks on the stock market. They go up and down like a yo-yo. It's hilarious. We value products based on their popularity and hype. Christmas time. Procede was full price, couldn't even get them. Everyone was complaining about the wait. Now nobody wants them.

true that, but just by browsing through forums (i dont even have a piggyback/flash) there seems to be way less trouble and more features (somewhat) with other ecu mods than procede currently does. and of course most of them are cheaper! (cept dinan of course lol)

[markymarc1979]

WINNER!!!!!!!! your my hero!!!

[markymarc1979]

Originally Posted by imaznumkay

true that, but just by browsing through forums (i dont even have a piggyback/flash) there seems to be way less trouble and more features (somewhat) with other ecu mods than procede currently does. and of course most of them are cheaper! (cept dinan of course lol)

I'm not knocking Procede. It's probably a great product, when installed properly. I've driven in a 335 equipped with Procede and it scared the piss outta me. (Ado your an animal!) I'm just saying. The market is flooding with products and I think in the end, price wins. Just like everything else. It's jsut human nature, we want everything for less.

[imaznumkay]

Originally Posted by Railgun

So I'll go on the limb and seem fanboyish...but no is practically the answer.

Why do people who make claims to something never back it up? How many on here are actually on evo forums? I'm not worried about being proven wrong as I don't really care if I am as I'm not vying to be right, but when people won't even try to prove themselves right when making claims, that's where I have a problem.

So I was sent a link...to one thread...on one forum. Yeah, there was talk about it, but the thread has since seemingly died a month ago. One thread.

The issues with the procede are like news with the military. You never hear the good things, but when the bad things break out in the news, everyone goes ape shit and think that it's common place. Please. But, popular opinion is just that. When in Rome, right?

Lemme make some points just for argument's sake...

Messy installation?
Does the JB not require intercepting wires? For those who are unwilling or unable to do a little of their own work, or just lazy...you chastize it?

CELs and Limps?
Read the above comment on that. In my case, I'm fine.

Price?
Ok, what does the price give you? Yes, more power. And that's all. Can you log? Can you adjust settings? Valet? Possibly learn? What other features do they have? Yes, I realize this functionality isn't there yet, but potential is a nice thing.

Everyone is on the anti-procede bandwagon, and that's fine. Everyone is entitled to their opinion. Why don't we see as many bashing threads and posts against Dinan? Higer price, no features. The procede is the product that everyone loves to hate.

Many points are done with really little validity. While I agree that things have been quiet, I'm putting a little trust in it until I have proof tellinh me otherwise. And when it comes down to it, other than rumors and no proof, why shouldn't I? Yeah, I also agree that in general, from what I've seen, communication could be a little better, but to what end? How does anyone here know, without a doubt, that they're NOT working on things with it? Don't speculate. If you don't know, back away from the keyboard. If you know, and aren't under NDA, then say it. There's no room for hear-say. Not "well I know because this guy said he saw something from someone else and they know this guy who's uncle..." It's getting really old.

And for the record to those who are going to try to put words into my mouth, I'm not trying to say that it's NOT true, I'm trying to say to those who THINK it is to post PROOF. I'm not trying to say I'm right, I'm trying to say that I'm open minded, which I can see that many are not. Things in my post are neither a confirmation nor denial of anything revolving the whole thing. I'm just trying to get people to think before they shoot their fingers off on something they probably know nothing about.

A little PS...

I forgot to also mention that those with no vested interest are also those who seem to chime in the most. Why? Cause they love drama? Instigate riots? Nothing better to do? Who knows. Why do you even care? Seriously.

i agree with everything u say but the part "dont speculate" and "I forgot to also mention that those with no vested interest are also those who seem to chime in the most. Why? Cause they love drama? Instigate riots? Nothing better to do? Who knows. Why do you even care? Seriously."

what could this forum possibly be without those elements? im not saying its good, but its reality and the way this world goes. we cant just put a lid on it and call it a day because then it would be a world of "omg procede is SO F'KIN HAWT" (im not a procede hater, im just saying)

[markymarc1979]

Originally Posted by imaznumkay

true that, but just by browsing through forums (i dont even have a piggyback/flash) there seems to be way less trouble and more features (somewhat) with other ecu mods than procede currently does. and of course most of them are cheaper! (cept dinan of course lol)

Don't even get me started with Dinan. This thread will explode.

[imaznumkay]

Originally Posted by markymarc1979

I'm not knocking Procede. It's probably a great product, when installed properly. I've driven in a 335 equipped with Procede and it scared the piss outta me. (Ado your an animal!) I'm just saying. The market is flooding with products and I think in the end, price wins. Just like everything else. It's jsut human nature, we want everything for less.

agreed, greedy human nature is what it comes down at the end.

[markymarc1979]

But if Dinan lowered their price to $500.00. I think they would kill all other tuners. Instant Genocide.!!!!!!


MARKYMARC IS A WINNER!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[imaznumkay]

Originally Posted by markymarc1979

But if Dinan lowered their price to $500.00. I think they would kill all other tuners. Instant Genocide.!!!!!!


MARKYMARC IS A WINNER!!!!!!!!!!!!!

i think the world would come to an end with alot of crashed e9x's with dinan badges on them

[markymarc1979]

IMO Dinan is probably the best tune out there. They seem to have the closest relationship with BMW. That means they have exclusive access to information other tuners can only dream about. I could be wrong.

The $2000 price tag is a complete turn off.