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      09-06-2006, 11:49 PM   #23
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people are smoking some heavy duty crack if they think they would be able to drive a 335 and then get in their 330's or 325's and be just fine with it


don't drive a better car than you have unless you can afford the new car, or afford to be unhappy with what you already have
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      09-06-2006, 11:52 PM   #24
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Yeah, I'm a little ticked off- at myself, at BMW, whatever.. I've got a 330 w/ 900 miles that I bought last December (don't drive it much).

you have a 9 month old car that's not even broken in yet??

I drive more miles in a day than you do in a month


what's the deal bro?? you have another car? or walk to work or something?
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      09-06-2006, 11:57 PM   #25
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Where in the world are you going to use all that extra power? Certainly not on Interstates 95, 20, 10, or 5. According to most automotive mags, the 325, 328, and the 330 have all the power you are going to need without getting a ticket.
I have gotten zero tickets on the interstate in my M3 (and only two on surface streets). I use the power every day when I pass slower traffic misusing the passing lane.

I cannot wait til my wife gets her 335 so I don't feel so helpless when we happen to be out in her current E46 325.
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      09-07-2006, 12:00 AM   #26
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I've got a 330 w/ 900 miles that I bought last December (don't drive it much)
Yeah...I used to drive 1500 miles a month when I lived in Florida.

If you drive that infrequently I wouldn't have spent the money on a new 330i.
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      09-07-2006, 12:03 AM   #27
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Yeah, I'm a little ticked off- at myself, at BMW, whatever.. I've got a 330 w/ 900 miles that I bought last December (don't drive it much), and now the 335 is here. I can only hope the car costs more and the discounts are not as deep- that's my only salvation!
Sounds like you drive the car so infrequently that it is of little consequence that a new model has replaced it. Go log some miles on the car - that'll put a smile back on your face.

Regarding discounts, lots of us are getting them at about $1000 over European invoice. That means we'll come out cheaper than those who bought 330i's at MSRP. Sad but true.
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      09-07-2006, 10:37 AM   #28
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3 weeks and counting??? what happened?
The car went in for a rattle 3 weeks ago. They still can't find what's wrong. They're tearing down all door trims, pillars, headliner, moonroof assembly in search of whatever's wrong with my car. They said that if they can't find what's wrong and determine it to be a "structural" problem they'll have to replace my car. At this point, I wish they'd find something stupid and fix it and get my car back once in for all. I only drove it for 2 months, I miss it!!

Back to the subject...The new engine is amazing and all, but is it really worth losing a ton of money over?..not to me. I got a great deal on my car (about $1k over invoice) and I'm really happy with it. Especially now that I've been driven a 325 loaner for 3 weeks, when I get my car back it'll feel fast again!!
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i prefer to drive discontinued model
saw a 335i 2days ago @ the stealership, dont need to test drive it coz i already want it
...till i saw a brand new black cls 63 amg...and i said screw 335i, thats my dream car right there
point is there's always a better & faster car out there and some are lucky enough to afford for upgrades..what matters is you're happy with the one you're driving..
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Gentlemen, a true "upgrade" at this point would be to step into a 5 Series, not the same car you already own with a more powerful engine. And that car, even though it will soon receive a facelift and the TT engine, still isn't the most attractive looking mid-size sedan in my book. Its O.K., but it could be better....

Those of us besides the ones that manage to have cash burning a hole in their pocket should be happy to hold on to their 330.......until the next generation 535i (codenamed F10) debuts. :rocks:
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Is it worth it to upgrade to 335i for 45hp ? I will stick with 330i.
All the reviews seem to indicate that BMW intentionally posted a lower HP number than the engine actually produces. Its very hard to believe that a 335i with 2 small turbos is actually only putting out 45 more hp than the 330i
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Car & Driver also told us that they got a zero to 60 of 5.6 for the 330 back in the Spring of '05. The mags aren't always the most reliable sources for this stuff. I think the reason they're so impressed is because of the incredible amounts of torque that had been lacking up until now.
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      09-07-2006, 11:40 AM   #33
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Unless you can afford to take the hit and trade it in. It will blow your mind away!!! The power delivery is amazing. I thought there'd be at least hints of turbo lag but NO. The torque seems to be endless. Very, very nice car.
I don't think I could live with 2 doors though, so I might consider trading my car in once the E90 335i comes out and they give better deals on them (If I ever get my car back from the dealer, 3 weeks and counting... )
what to do...
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I think BMW HP ratings are equal across the board, so I find it hard to believe that BMW would accurately rate the 40hp difference between the 325 and 330 only to underrate a 45hp difference between a 330 and a 335.

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All the reviews seem to indicate that BMW intentionally posted a lower HP number than the engine actually produces. Its very hard to believe that a 335i with 2 small turbos is actually only putting out 45 more hp than the 330i
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Gentlemen, a true "upgrade" at this point would be to step into a 5 Series, not the same car you already own with a more powerful engine. And that car, even though it will soon receive a facelift and the TT engine, still isn't the most attractive looking mid-size sedan in my book. Its O.K., but it could be better....

Those of us besides the ones that manage to have cash burning a hole in their pocket should be happy to hold on to their 330.......until the next generation 535i (codenamed F10) debuts. :rocks:
No, an upgrade would be the M3. Then a 911. Then a Supercar.
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      09-07-2006, 01:27 PM   #36
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I can't imagine losing all that money trading in a car after one year of ownership.
What loss, really?

My [as in both "mine" and "model year"] 2006 loaded 330i: $45,800 all-in with discount; T/T/T.

MSRP for MY2007 e90 335i [same colors, same options]: $46,900. SA has agreed to $45,000.

Dealer has offered $40,000 for my 12-month old car, which has 8,600 miles on it and is in perfect shape - not one ding! SA says that the dealership can't get enough cars from BMW NA, that they are buying from other dealers, and are paying premiums for low mileage pre-owned cars that they can put on their lot and sell to the very dollar-conscious who won't buy a new car on general principal.

So: $45,000 - $40,000 = $5,000. Subtract about $1000 for the effective 1-year bumper-to-bumper warranty extension and about $1,200 for tire replacement that will be necessary on my '06 e90 in the next 10-12 months anyway, add in about $300 for taxes on the difference and I am looking at about a $3,000 difference in total.

Considering that I will be doing a small loan [why use cash that I can make 7-9% on when I can get a car loan for 5.9%?] and the difference over four years comes down to $62/month.

So that is $62/month more to drive a brand-new, more powerful 2007 335i, and it is still paid off in just four years...$3K in total or $62/month more for a sub-5 second sedan that still gets 21/30 MPG? Sounds good to me.
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Is it worth it to upgrade to 335i for 45hp ? I will stick with 330i.
People, its not just the extra 45 more HP that makes this a night and day difference, its the huge incremental amount of torque that sets this apart! Don't forget how HP AND Torque impact engine performance. I look for an engine that has about equal torque and HP. Many other factors of course, but this does help rule out engines that are pure marketing (like the Japanese engines that only get rated HP at 8000 RPM, with no torque at most RPMs). I was really disappointed that the E90 only increased the HP but no torque increase over previous generation -- thats mainly marketing hype.

This turbo engine finally delivers real-world, street performance with needed torque for this heavy car. I don't even care that much about the HP figure, just the fact that this is 300 ft/lbs of torque with no turbo lag.

For people who want performance and power, the extra price premium is worth every penny for the total extra performance (+HP, +++Torque, and general street feel). For people who just want balanced luxery with some solid performance, smaller BMW engines are just fine.
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      09-07-2006, 03:33 PM   #38
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What loss, really?

My [as in both "mine" and "model year"] 2006 loaded 330i: $45,800 all-in with discount; T/T/T.

MSRP for MY2007 e90 335i [same colors, same options]: $46,900. SA has agreed to $45,000.

Dealer has offered $40,000 for my 12-month old car, which has 8,600 miles on it and is in perfect shape - not one ding! SA says that the dealership can't get enough cars from BMW NA, that they are buying from other dealers, and are paying premiums for low mileage pre-owned cars that they can put on their lot and sell to the very dollar-conscious who won't buy a new car on general principal.

So: $45,000 - $40,000 = $5,000. Subtract about $1000 for the effective 1-year bumper-to-bumper warranty extension and about $1,200 for tire replacement that will be necessary on my '06 e90 in the next 10-12 months anyway, add in about $300 for taxes on the difference and I am looking at about a $3,000 difference in total.

Considering that I will be doing a small loan [why use cash that I can make 7-9% on when I can get a car loan for 5.9%?] and the difference over four years comes down to $62/month.

So that is $62/month more to drive a brand-new, more powerful 2007 335i, and it is still paid off in just four years...$3K in total or $62/month more for a sub-5 second sedan that still gets 21/30 MPG? Sounds good to me.
They offered you $40K? That sounds awfully high. What is the name of your dealer? I am curious what they would offer for my M3. Here is what Kelly Blue Books says is the value of your car:

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If power is the be all and end all for somebody, they can always supercharge their 330i. Dinan, Eurosport Tuning, and VF Engineering are working on various induction kits for the 330i already. Look for products that will boost HP of the 330i to ~350 HP as early as spring of '07.
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They offered you $40K? That sounds awfully high.
I agree.

Even my 330 with only Sport & Metallic paint (originally listed with an MSRP of about $38.5K) has a Trade-In Value listed by KBB @ about $29.9K. And that's IF the car is truly in excellent condition. So $40K sounds a bit high, especially considering that most optional equipment doesn't hold its value too well.
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Is it wrong to say I'll never drive another car without terra leather? =P

Saddle just doesn't do it for me ....

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Is it wrong to say I'll never drive another car without terra leather?
Saddle just doesn't do it for me ....
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you know wut? I dont really care much for the 335. It's not that I cant buy it, it's that I simply dont like it enough to "upgrade" to it.
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I dont really understand why people upgrade within the same line of cars. For example, going from 2004 acura RSX to 2005 acura RSX (When they had a mini face lift). The rsx is just an example but you get the pt. Its a waste of money unless you are loaded up the butt. I dont care if they take my 330I for 40 or so. Id still have to pay about 5-6K that can be used towards a new car in 4-5 years? Why not just save up the 5-6k, instead of living by the pay check and enjoying your youth too much, only to be boggled down by our shitty healthcare system when your health fails (where I assure you, will wish you had that 6000 dollars for some type of operation). I stretched it a bit, but 6-10 thousand dollars saved now can be the ticket to that M3, new 5 series, etc... I don think its worth the Horsepower/Torque upgrade, esp when everything else is pretty much the same. When you go from a BMW 3 series 2006 to a 3 series 2007, you dont get as excited as you were when you went from some other car (or even the E46) to the E90/E92.
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