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      06-10-2014, 02:20 AM   #243
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This might help. Pic is showing the inside of the DDE container and how it routes into the passenger side footwell area. I used some water injection tubing to make the path and pushed wires through the tubing. Worked pretty well. Then you can easily connect into the fusebox for the key-on power.
That worked excellent, thanks! I hooked it up to something that I guessed was ignition and apparently got it right. I will put a kill switch on it this weekend just in case. I am running a pretty mild nozzle at the moment, i think it's 125 ml. Cant say I notice much power difference but somehow it seems smoother...more effortless? Anyway, will do more tweaking later. Thanks guys!
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2:20 am posting ... dang, you're a night owl.

Glad it worked for you. Good luck.
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2:20 am posting ... dang, you're a night owl.

Glad it worked for you. Good luck.

Heh, I'm in Hawaii
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Where are you tying in for boost pressure/gauge?
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Where are you tying in for boost pressure/gauge?
Not sure who this was directed at... But this might help. I'm tying into the MAP sensor here as part of my system.

http://www.e90post.com/forums/showpo...3&postcount=19

The pic is old and not up to date, but it gives you an idea of where you can grab the electrical signal that corresponds to boost. Or you could drill/tap the charge pipe and tie a line with actual pressure back into the controller. Kinda depends on the specific controller and system/philosophy you'd be using. For example, I'm using the MAP signal as one of the variables for controlling multiple things.
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Are PWM-V meth kits better than PPS kits?
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      06-15-2014, 09:31 PM   #249
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Tapped into the charge pipe, closer to the top, after the temp sensor. This is a pressure sensor via rubber tube back to the controller.

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      06-16-2014, 06:46 AM   #250
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Ok, installation is complete could not find an easy place for acc power, so for now it's always on, but I'm pretty sure the only power it's drawing is for the small led light on controller.
So I went through 1.5 gal of a 50/50 mix within the first 3 hours of some pretty extreme driving actually seamed to drive a little rougher at first, cleaning out the intake I'm assuming? Now it seams the run better, but after car sits off for more than 20 min it turns over for 3 or 4 seconds before it starts, instead of the instant start I'm used to, hoping this goes away once she cleans up a little more...
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Finished my install of the snow TDI kit over the weekend. Rather than embed the pictures i'll just link to the album.

http://s406.photobucket.com/user/ste...ry/E90/MethInj

I too am getting some quench like FormerRotor stated, seems to be in the 14-18psi range. I suspect it's either gunk getting washed into the cylinders, or the JBD. It's only on occasion though, I can repeat the same driving behavior after slowing back down and it doesn't happen. My tank had approx 1gal of water & 1 gal of splash -20F washer fluid, so the mixture is mostly water at the moment.

Currently i'm ramping the 60cc/min nozzle from 12psi-24psi, and the 225cc nozzle kicks in at 22psi.

Also managed to get a sunburn on the back of my legs since I spent most of yesterday afternoon hunched over in the trunk
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      06-16-2014, 10:07 AM   #252
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Finished my install of the snow TDI kit over the weekend. Rather than embed the pictures i'll just link to the album.

http://s406.photobucket.com/user/ste...ry/E90/MethInj

I too am getting some quench like FormerRotor stated, seems to be in the 14-18psi range. I suspect it's either gunk getting washed into the cylinders, or the JBD. It's only on occasion though, I can repeat the same driving behavior after slowing back down and it doesn't happen. My tank had approx 1gal of water & 1 gal of splash -20F washer fluid, so the mixture is mostly water at the moment.

Currently i'm ramping the 60cc/min nozzle from 12psi-24psi, and the 225cc nozzle kicks in at 22psi.

Also managed to get a sunburn on the back of my legs since I spent most of yesterday afternoon hunched over in the trunk
Good work man. How long did the entire install take you? Are you using the #1 and #5 nozzles?
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Good work man. How long did the entire install take you? Are you using the #1 and #5 nozzles?
Thanks!

I did a lot of the planning & test fitting Saturday which took a couple hours. Spent nearly 12 hours yesterday doing the actual install. An hour of that was wasted trying to get the lower boost clamp loose and figuring out how the IAT sensor disconnects. I caved in the end and just left the IAT on while I drilled away. No idea how Klaus designed that connector.

I'm using #1 and #4 at the moment. I will likely upgrade to #3 and #5 or 6 once it has been run for a while and I know the goop is cleaned out.

I didn't take any pics of the interior but I have the controller mounted in the oddiments tray near the shifter. That was the last part of the install, and my wife's "how much longer?" requests were down to about 10 minutes apart.


Also managed to drain my battery during the process. Luckily 1h on the charger and it fired right up.
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Stevers, not sure if you pulled pieces connected to intake manifold but mine was bad! My install took about the same amount of time, although almost 2 hours of it were spent scraping the tar out of everything I could get to, I got about a full cup full of junk! I'm thinking it will take quite a while to fully clean everything, that "tar" was some pretty hard stuff
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Now it seams the run better, but after car sits off for more than 20 min it turns over for 3 or 4 seconds before it starts, instead of the instant start I'm used to, hoping this goes away once she cleans up a little more...
You have to drive calm for a couple minutes before shutting it down if you want to avoid that
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3rd time of asking...

Anyone used Aquamist kits? They are PWM-V kits rather than PPS kits.
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You have to drive calm for a couple minutes before shutting it down if you want to avoid that
I do, and then I let it idle for 2 to 5 minuites to let the turbo's cool down, so that is not the cause
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3rd time of asking...

Anyone used Aquamist kits? They are PWM-V kits rather than PPS kits.
Haven't used them but they are high quality based on other reviews.

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I do, and then I let it idle for 2 to 5 minuites to let the turbo's cool down, so that is not the cause
Maybe just cleanout then which would go away sooner or later. Mine starts normally still
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3rd time of asking...

Anyone used Aquamist kits? They are PWM-V kits rather than PPS kits.
Please explain the difference, PWM-V vs PPS??
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3rd time of asking...

Anyone used Aquamist kits? They are PWM-V kits rather than PPS kits.
They look a tad more expensive than the competition but then again their HFS4-v3 system for DI engines looks like it offers some fully loaded features.
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Please explain the difference, PWM-V vs PPS??
If you see this page: http://procedetuning.com/BMW/n54/methanol/methanol.html
Scrolling down you'll see a section highlighted in yellow.

Greekboy: Yes they are a little more pricey. But if you see here it gives you price and feature comparisons: http://www.aquamist.co.uk/forum/compare-4.gif

The website also has a forum with loads of info (far more technical for my knowledge!)
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Just saw that mob17. I also realized that the UK buys it from Howerton Engineering who are based out of California. Much cheaper price that way as the middle man is cut out and cheaper shipping. Here is a direct link to Howerton Engineering:

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PRODUCT DESCRIPTION
The Aquamist HFS-4 is now at revision 3. Revision 3 added new auxiliary failsafe inputs to the system, including a wideband input as well as IAT input. The HFS-4 is suited for Direct Injection applications with its multiple inputs to properly map the engines load in Direct Injected cars. These inputs include the fuel injectors, the MAP sensor, and the high pressure fuel rail signal.

Of course the HFS-4 uses a constant pressure PWM valve injection for prescise metering of the injected fluid into the intake track. This ensures precise injection in relation to load ensuring crisp response across partial and full throttle loads and no over run on throttle lifting.

Kit comes complete with everything needed except for a tank.

JETTING: The system comes with three jets sizes .8mm, .9mm and 1.0mm as standard. You can pick any three sizes from the drop down menu. There is a link to calculating your jetting below.

.3mm jets maybe substituted for an additional charge.

Choosing NONE for the second jet option also deletes the tee and jet adapter along with the second jet. You will only be able to install 1 jet in your setup if you delete the second jet from the options.

Choosing NONE for the third jet option only deletes the third jet.
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Jetting Calculating jet sizing for Aquamist systems is quite easy as we will walk you through a few simple steps, then some examples. At the bottom of the page you will find some conversion factors if you are using other jets and systems.

Example 1

1) First, you will need three pieces of information. Fuel injector size, number of cylinders(hopefully this one comes easy) and peak boost pressure.

2) Take the number of cylinders and multiply by the injector size. For example, let’s use a 4 cylinder with 800cc injectors. This car would have a total of 3200cc of injectors.

There is a general rule of thumb for injection. Three guidelines are below:

For 100% water target 10% – 15% of fuel flow
For 50/50 mix target 15% – 20% of fuel flow
For 100% methanol target 20% – -25% of fuel flow

For this example we will use a 50/50 mix. So find the range of jetting you need by the following:

3) Multiply your total fuel injector number from step 2 by 15% and 20%.

3200cc x 15% = 480cc
3200cc x 20% = 640cc

4) Subtract your peak boost pressure from the system running pressure on the chart and find the appropriate jetting range.



For the example being discussed we want to target 20% which would be 640cc. We also know our peak boost is 30psi. The new Aquatec pumps run at 165psi, the older Shurflo pumps at 125psi. We have a brand new HFS-4 installed in our test car so we use the 165psi starting point.

4) We start at the 165psi line, and subtract our 30psi boost pressure. This means we need to look at a phantom line of 135psi. So we have our 640cc target, we look down the columns and estimate that between the 130 and 140 columns 640cc is going to fall around…….wait, it’s off the chart. We need to use two jets. So, we split the 640cc in half and see that 320cc falls between the 130 and 140 columns right right between the .7mm and .8mm jet range. In this instance we will pick two .8mm jet as we can always trim the flow down with the gain functions.

Now, the hardest part is finding a spot for two injectors in the intake system.

IMPORTANT NOTE

It is best to test your jetting into a container and measure the flow. Since every build and configuration is different this will be your best measure of the system performance.

Example 2:

6 cylinder, 1000cc injectors, 35psi boost and we will run 100% methanol.

6 x 1000cc = 6000cc.
6000cc x .25 = 1500cc
1500 / 3 = 500cc for each jet.

Now we are getting close to the edge because the HFS series systems max out at about 1500cc of flow. Since we are calculating right at the limit we should be fine. NOTE: FAV’s post 9/2012 flow 1500cc, pre-9/2012 FAV’s rated at 1300cc)

From the chart we can see we will need 3 jets to get the job done. So we look down the 130psi line (165-35 peak boost = 130) and find the 500cc for each jet falls just above the 1.0mm jetting. In this case we would probably pair 2 x 1.2mm with 1 x 1.0mm jets to hit the 1500cc target. If running a split plenum that requires 3 equal size jets, 3 x 1.0mm would be recommended. The best test to see your actual flow is to measure the flow into a container through the system.
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FYI jetting is supposed to be different for diesel engines than gas, so dont size your jet based on a gas sizing chart.
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FYI jetting is supposed to be different for diesel engines than gas, so dont size your jet based on a gas sizing chart.
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