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      12-04-2017, 06:33 AM   #1607
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Actually you only get a little closure when you get right to boost and load limits. Otherwise looks good.
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Actually you only get a little closure when you get right to boost and load limits. Otherwise looks good.
Thanks man, super helpful. I think I'm getting the hang of the logs now. Can't believe the stock clutch is holding @ 130k.
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Stage 1 v8.0 map 3rd gear pull, car only has dci's

I threw a 30ff code yesterday but today car is driving fine so decided to do a datalog. Does spooling look slow?

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Stage 2+ with downpipes and DCI but no FMIC. 38 degrees F ambient temperature. XHP stage 3. Will I be fine running this map during the winter or should I go back to stage 2? Anything else I need to take a look at?

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Stage 1 v8.0 map 3rd gear pull, car only has dci's

I threw a 30ff code yesterday but today car is driving fine so decided to do a datalog. Does spooling look slow?

https://datazap.me/u/stiness/log-1512794479
It's more or less following target and WGDC seems OK. Whatever the 30FF was from, I don't see anything obvious in this log. Pre-boost timing corrections follow into WOT, but cleans up >3000rpm.

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Stage 2+ with downpipes and DCI but no FMIC. 38 degrees F ambient temperature. XHP stage 3. Will I be fine running this map during the winter or should I go back to stage 2? Anything else I need to take a look at?

https://datazap.me/u/asiflicious/mhd...og=0&data=3-22
Something doesn't seem right...there's a 2 second difference from the time shift starts until the next record. I hope to hell shifts don't take that long or that there's a 1000rpm rise and 10F IAT jump between shift start and end.

Either way, 2/3 of the cylinders are correcting post-shift. Might be hitting rev limiters with it revving that high too, not sure where they’re set on the maps. I don’t pay much attention to ATs, but shift torque output drop seems really substantial, along with the timing intervention. Maybe that’s the norm for ATs, but try shifting a little earlier. Were you using manual/sport? Alpina option may also not be the best option with the XHP flash, I have no idea on the ATs.

Shift/log weirdness aside, 90F peak IAT isn't bad in and of itself, but considering it's 38F and 60->100mph wind working on the FMIC and still a 35F rise in 6 (or maybe 8) seconds Get a FMIC before ambient temps get over 55F lol
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Stage 1 v8.0 map 3rd gear pull, car only has dci's

I threw a 30ff code yesterday but today car is driving fine so decided to do a datalog. Does spooling look slow?

https://datazap.me/u/stiness/log-1512794479
It's more or less following target and WGDC seems OK. Whatever the 30FF was from, I don't see anything obvious in this log. Pre-boost timing corrections follow into WOT, but cleans up >3000rpm.

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Stage 2+ with downpipes and DCI but no FMIC. 38 degrees F ambient temperature. XHP stage 3. Will I be fine running this map during the winter or should I go back to stage 2? Anything else I need to take a look at?

https://datazap.me/u/asiflicious/mhd...og=0&data=3-22
Something doesn't seem right...there's a 2 second difference from the time shift starts until the next record. I hope to hell shifts don't take that long or that there's a 1000rpm rise and 10F IAT jump between shift start and end.

Either way, 2/3 of the cylinders are correcting post-shift. Might be hitting rev limiters with it revving that high too, not sure where they’re set on the maps. I don’t pay much attention to ATs, but shift torque output drop seems really substantial, along with the timing intervention. Maybe that’s the norm for ATs, but try shifting a little earlier. Were you using manual/sport? Alpina option may also not be the best option with the XHP flash, I have no idea on the ATs.

Shift/log weirdness aside, 90F peak IAT isn't bad in and of itself, but considering it's 38F and 60->100mph wind working on the FMIC and still a 35F rise in 6 (or maybe 8) seconds Get a FMIC before ambient temps get over 55F lol
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Stage 1 v8.0 map 3rd gear pull, car only has dci's

I threw a 30ff code yesterday but today car is driving fine so decided to do a datalog. Does spooling look slow?

https://datazap.me/u/stiness/log-1512794479
It's more or less following target and WGDC seems OK. Whatever the 30FF was from, I don't see anything obvious in this log. Pre-boost timing corrections follow into WOT, but cleans up >3000rpm.

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Stage 2+ with downpipes and DCI but no FMIC. 38 degrees F ambient temperature. XHP stage 3. Will I be fine running this map during the winter or should I go back to stage 2? Anything else I need to take a look at?

https://datazap.me/u/asiflicious/mhd...og=0&data=3-22
Something doesn't seem right...there's a 2 second difference from the time shift starts until the next record. I hope to hell shifts don't take that long or that there's a 1000rpm rise and 10F IAT jump between shift start and end.

Either way, 2/3 of the cylinders are correcting post-shift. Might be hitting rev limiters with it revving that high too, not sure where they’re set on the maps. I don’t pay much attention to ATs, but shift torque output drop seems really substantial, along with the timing intervention. Maybe that’s the norm for ATs, but try shifting a little earlier. Were you using manual/sport? Alpina option may also not be the best option with the XHP flash, I have no idea on the ATs.

Shift/log weirdness aside, 90F peak IAT isn't bad in and of itself, but considering it's 38F and 60->100mph wind working on the FMIC and still a 35F rise in 6 (or maybe 8) seconds Get a FMIC before ambient temps get over 55F lol
It was in manual mode from 3rd to 4th wot on the stage 2+ with xhp map.. lol now you're scaring me is my car dying??
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It was in manual mode from 3rd to 4th wot on the stage 2+ with xhp map.. lol now you're scaring me is my car dying??
No, it's not dying, but you should figure out if the logging glitched and/or stopped recording. It makes the log look like it has enough slip to allow the engine to rev +800rpm between leaving 3rd and indicating 4th. Torque output and timing reductions are normal during shifts as things disengage and re-engage, loads change, etc., but those seemed like a lot. I'm DCT and don't pay a whole lot of attention to AT shifting, so maybe it's normal for them. I'll keep a closer eye out to see what others look like.

https://datazap.me/u/asiflicious/mhd...&mark=39-40-41

Corrections after shifts aren't uncommon either, usually in higher gears. As for IATs, they're OK as far as peak temp goes right now, but it goes pretty high pretty quickly given the ambient temp. At 60F, I'd expect that same pull to be well over 120F IATs. That's not necessarily absurdly high as far as IATs go either, but with an aftermarket FMIC, the temp rise would be significantly less, it would barely increase during a short pull at all.
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It was in manual mode from 3rd to 4th wot on the stage 2+ with xhp map.. lol now you're scaring me is my car dying??
No, it's not dying, but you should figure out if the logging glitched and/or stopped recording. It makes the log look like it has enough slip to allow the engine to rev +800rpm between leaving 3rd and indicating 4th. Torque output and timing reductions are normal during shifts as things disengage and re-engage, loads change, etc., but those seemed like a lot. I'm DCT and don't pay a whole lot of attention to AT shifting, so maybe it's normal for them. I'll keep a closer eye out to see what others look like.

https://datazap.me/u/asiflicious/mhd...&mark=39-40-41

Corrections after shifts aren't uncommon either, usually in higher gears. As for IATs, they're OK as far as peak temp goes right now, but it goes pretty high pretty quickly given the ambient temp. At 60F, I'd expect that same pull to be well over 120F IATs. That's not necessarily absurdly high as far as IATs go either, but with an aftermarket FMIC, the temp rise would be significantly less, it would barely increase during a short pull at all.
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It was in manual mode from 3rd to 4th wot on the stage 2+ with xhp map.. lol now you're scaring me is my car dying??
No, it's not dying, but you should figure out if the logging glitched and/or stopped recording. It makes the log look like it has enough slip to allow the engine to rev +800rpm between leaving 3rd and indicating 4th. Torque output and timing reductions are normal during shifts as things disengage and re-engage, loads change, etc., but those seemed like a lot. I'm DCT and don't pay a whole lot of attention to AT shifting, so maybe it's normal for them. I'll keep a closer eye out to see what others look like.

https://datazap.me/u/asiflicious/mhd...&mark=39-40-41

Corrections after shifts aren't uncommon either, usually in higher gears. As for IATs, they're OK as far as peak temp goes right now, but it goes pretty high pretty quickly given the ambient temp. At 60F, I'd expect that same pull to be well over 120F IATs. That's not necessarily absurdly high as far as IATs go either, but with an aftermarket FMIC, the temp rise would be significantly less, it would barely increase during a short pull at all.
I'll do another log tonight. I'll probably just go back to regular stage 2 until I get an fmic just to be on the safe side
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Stage 2+ with downpipes and DCI but no FMIC. 38 degrees F ambient temperature. XHP stage 3. Will I be fine running this map during the winter or should I go back to stage 2? Anything else I need to take a look at?

https://datazap.me/u/asiflicious/mhd...og=0&data=3-22
You Have massive throttle closure as soon as the car starts over boosting the target not sure what that means or if its just the new maps but that fmic will help keep those temps down for sure
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Hi

Could someone please check my logs - The pulls did not feel completely smooth

335i running mhd stage 1 and everything else is stock running 99ron

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Stage 2+ beta 8v
I think there are problems with plugs or coils.
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Could someone please check my logs - The pulls did not feel completely smooth

335i running mhd stage 1 and everything else is stock running 99ron

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https://datazap.me/u/dannyboi180/log...og=1&data=3-20
Not bad, Just the std Throttle closures at it hits boost/load targets.. Go to next map if you want more speed.
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I think there are problems with plugs or coils.
What is your altitude there? Close to 900feet? That will make an OTS map less than ideal especially as you go up in boost.

Same as above, just some throttle closures as it his load targets. Not sure why you think there is a coil/plug prob.. as long as you dont have missfires it should be ok.


Timing looks ok at least at that temp.
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Ambient air pressure 14.4. Little low so an OTS map will be not ideal. Short term trims are pullin fuel at the higher rpm band, that might mean the scalers are adding a little too much for your air.

You have all of 5 secs at WFO, and your IATs go from 72 to 93. You will need an IC by summer even in St Lou.
Everything else looks pretty good. No timing being pulled but that will likely change after the shift into 4th (see edit below).. That is when you will see the heat from the OEM IC starting to get involved in what the DME will tolerate.. especially on something that is more like 12 to 15 secs.

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Oh, and I see that's an E30 map, in that case you should be ok with timing after the shift, I would check anyway. But the LP pump is right at the edge. It drops in the 50s at times, no more than e30 or whatever mix you got until you upgrade the pump
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Hi All,

I have upgraded to stage 1+
Car has DCI no intercooler yet but will be on order after christmas.

Please could somebody check my logs, I have a harsh misfire at 4k and puts the car into limp mode on WOT, This does not happen every single time, Clear codes and all is fine until i go WOT again

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29DO - mISFIRE CYLINDER 4


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I have upgraded to stage 1+
Car has DCI no intercooler yet but will be on order after christmas.

Please could somebody check my logs, I have a harsh misfire at 4k and puts the car into limp mode on WOT, This does not happen every single time, Clear codes and all is fine until i go WOT again

Fault code
29cc -misfire several cylinders
29DO - mISFIRE CYLINDER 4


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https://datazap.me/u/dannyboi180/log...?log=1&data=20

https://datazap.me/u/dannyboi180/log...og=0&data=3-20
Seems like you need new plugs/coils. I had similiar timing pulls and misfires (also on Cyl 4 when my coils were bad. New coils and all disappeared.
STFT looks a bit off maybe someone else knows more about that.
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Ambient air pressure 14.4. Little low so an OTS map will be not ideal. Short term trims are pullin fuel at the higher rpm band, that might mean the scalers are adding a little too much for your air.

You have all of 5 secs at WFO, and your IATs go from 72 to 93. You will need an IC by summer even in St Lou.
Everything else looks pretty good. No timing being pulled but that will likely change after the shift into 4th (see edit below).. That is when you will see the heat from the OEM IC starting to get involved in what the DME will tolerate.. especially on something that is more like 12 to 15 secs.

edit
Oh, and I see that's an E30 map, in that case you should be ok with timing after the shift, I would check anyway. But the LP pump is right at the edge. It drops in the 50s at times, no more than e30 or whatever mix you got until you upgrade the pump


Hello,

Thanks for taking a look at that log. I didn't realize my TMAP sensor reading was low until you pointed it out. Being in St. Louis I would expect my reading to be around 14.7. I looked back at some old logs and the atmospheric pressure shows 14.3-14.5. Something seems off....

Here is a log from 2-3rd. I typically don't go WOT from 3-4 but I will try to get another log after I get that TMAP issue sorted.

https://datazap.me/u/kmastl/e30-stag...=3-16&mark=102

*12psi limit in 2nd, and what appears to be significant timing corrections post shift.

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Thanks for taking a look at that log. I didn't realize my TMAP sensor reading was low until you pointed it out. Being in St. Louis I would expect my reading to be around 14.7. I looked back at some old logs and the atmospheric pressure shows 14.3-14.5. Something seems off....

Here is a log from 2-3rd. I typically don't go WOT from 3-4 but I will try to get another log after I get that TMAP issue sorted.

https://datazap.me/u/kmastl/e30-stag...=3-16&mark=102

*12psi limit in 2nd, and what appears to be significant timing corrections post shift.
Eh, you are still at 450-500 feet that I see. That is not much but it will bring your barometer down to about 14.4 -

https://www.mide.com/pages/air-press...ude-calculator
500 0.09 152 99.5 0.98 14.43

Yeah, you wont be able to hit peak boost in second prob anyway. It seems to be staying close to boost and load targets but there is a good amount of both timng and throttle closure right after the shift. So how much E is in the tank on this log?

Add 2 more gal.. And then watch the LP pump
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So there was approx 5 - 5.5 gallons of E85 in this last full fill up. I just added 2 more gallons to a 1/2 tank and did some more pulls. A little background, car has 74k miles. I replaced the turbos about 1k miles ago due to wastegate wear/30FF. During the turbo replacement I installed an RB external PCV system w/ plugged head ports, NGK plugs gapped to .022, VG gasket, walnut blast. It has index 12 injectors and original coils (I think). Also xHP stage 3 flash.

2-3-4
-40deg IAT delta
-timing corrections
-throttle closures
-LPFP stays above 60 PSI
https://datazap.me/u/kmastl/stage-2-...24&zoom=44-108


3-4
https://datazap.me/u/kmastl/stage-2-...-27&zoom=55-94

I will go back to either stage 1+ or 2 and see if things look better, I probably shouldn't run this aggressive of a tune with my mods.

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what do you guys think, cobb stage 2 aggressive 93 fbo: https://datazap.me/u/autoart/log-151...&data=1-7-8-22
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So there was approx 5 - 5.5 gallons of E85 in this last full fill up. I just added 2 more gallons to a 1/2 tank and did some more pulls. A little background, car has 74k miles. I replaced the turbos about 1k miles ago due to wastegate wear/30FF. During the turbo replacement I installed an RB external PCV system w/ plugged head ports, NGK plugs gapped to .022, VG gasket, walnut blast. It has index 12 injectors and original coils (I think). Also xHP stage 3 flash.

2-3-4
-40deg IAT delta
-timing corrections
-throttle closures
-LPFP stays above 60 PSI
https://datazap.me/u/kmastl/stage-2-...24&zoom=44-108


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https://datazap.me/u/kmastl/stage-2-...-27&zoom=55-94

I will go back to either stage 1+ or 2 and see if things look better, I probably shouldn't run this aggressive of a tune with my mods.
Yeah, prob a bit aggressive for you.
Its only getting about 3 degrees advance when you should be pulling 9
And that happens for all cyls, not just the ones that end up pulling timing.

Throttle closures not bad after 4800 in 3rd.. but timing doesnt look as good as it should.
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