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      11-21-2018, 12:22 PM   #111
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Ocon was in 14th place at the time... yes he absolutely has the right to unlap himself but he had no business trying to make the pass at that time. If he was so much faster like he was saying wait for the the next DRS zone and then make the pass cleanly. As a backmarker at no time should he ever put himself in a position to affect the outcome of the race like that.

That being said Verstappen could & should have 100% avoided this. You have to both be aware of each situation and also know how to handle it. Ocon means nothing at that point in the race. He doesn't have a seat next year & has zero to lose. Even though Ocon should not have attempted that pass Verstappen has nothing to lose by letting him through. If a backmarker is going to drive like that let him have his little moment and then cruise on to the race win. Go shake his hand afterwards and then show him what the trophy looks like.

And Ocon - seriously, waving for his mechanics to come help him when he got pushed a couple of times? I get it - its in his blood - but c'mon man have a little pride and stand up for yourself. Don't let someone push you like that and do nothing but put a clown face on and wave for people to come save you. I have a lot of respect for him as a person - we ran into him at our hotel during the USGP and it was awesome the way he interacted with my 5 year old son. To me how people in positions like that interact with children speaks volumes about their character & he made a couple of fans that day. Still don't let someone push you like that and do nothing. Not saying he had to go ape shit crazy on the guy but at least stop him.

FYI this is from a Verstappen apologist...
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      11-21-2018, 01:01 PM   #112
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Amazing that this thread is still active.

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Amazing that this thread is still active.

Somewhat agreed, but isnít there some ego involved in taking the time to post an unfunny meme about egos of others?
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      11-22-2018, 11:54 AM   #114
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so after all these replays, and several days to think it over, I find I can't decide. the conclusion "racing incident" seems inevitable. these are two uber-aggressive drivers, if they weren't they wouldn't be where they are. remember what Senna said about a driver who sees an opening and doesn't go for it?
anyway, I think this can be reduced to two points:
1. Ocon was not going to win that race
2. Max was going to win that race
so if you're Ocon you're thinking "I'm going for it, Max will never throw the race away for no gain". He might have unlapped himself.
if you're Max, you SHOULD have thought (imho) "I've raced this guy for 10 years, of course he'll go for that opening. I'll let him go then draft him for the next eight laps. He's faster on the straight than I am anyway and he has better tires". And Max would have won that race. Which is, after all, his job.
None of this, of course, takes into account the several milliseconds provided to make this decision not to mention our old friend The Red Mist.

so at the end of the day, this is a racing incident. assigning fault is pointless.
shit happens.

just my opinion.

Edit: inoculating myself now before ///M Power sees this post==> I'm Dutch.
I just found a picture , seems like it was done before and with more aggression.

Two F1 legends in action !
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I bet that wasn't a quarrel about where one was a lap behind. (Senna and Schumacher usually had their moments a the racestarts)

A better comparison: 1982 germany: Piquet gets taken out by Salazar while lapping him (and leading the race).
Piquet goes crazy



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With helmets on , the fight is not fair !
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and yet......
these two lads were able to bang wheels pretty much non-stop for three and a half laps and both finished the race: Villeneuve 2nd, Arnoux 3rd.
this race happened 20 years before Poiseuille Jr. was born but he has this picture on his dorm room wall...and rightly so i think.
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With helmets on , the fight is not fair !
old NASCAR rule: "never take your helmet off unless you need to throw it at somebody else's race car"
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I bet that wasn't a quarrel about where one was a lap behind. (Senna and Schumacher usually had their moments a the racestarts)

A better comparison: 1982 germany: Piquet gets taken out by Salazar while lapping him (and leading the race).
Piquet goes crazy



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ya gotta like a guy that gets both feet off the ground throwing a right
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old NASCAR rule: "never take your helmet off unless you need to throw it at somebody else's race car"
Car ? Face is better !
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ya gotta like a guy that gets both feet off the ground throwing a right
yeah real boxers know their stance
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