[Bubbles]

Originally Posted by 3798j

"Top Miami race executive Tom Garfinkel admits the otherwise popular and celebrity-fuelled inaugural Miami GP actually lost money."
"In fact, he says the losses were greater than were actually anticipated."

https://www.gptours.com/gr_news/miam...inancial-loss/

Originally Posted by GuidoK

So that fake harbour..... stickerfoil with waterprint.... was a wild expense?

So the “successful” Miami GP, loses money. Increase capacity and lose exclusivity. Before long, it morphs into a regular F1 race.

Set aside too many tickets for celebs and marketing.
Pricing hats at $100 that sold online for $40.
Average race.

[Bubbles]

Despite the Red Bull top speed, it was actually the low speed corners where Max gained time on Ferrari.

Max talent for managing the car control exploited this new strength. Ferrari remains top in high speed corners but low speed is now dominated by Red Bull.

Tire management remains a strength for Max, particularly gaining a 3 sec advantage on his out lap after pit.

Two fastest laps, note Max did not have DRS. Ferrari used DRS to gain top speed advantage but was still slower.



The rear wing differences are interesting, the Red Bull seems to have a larger DRS flap but may be an optical illusion.

Top speed advantage and low speed advantage seems impossible but Newey and Co have designed a magic suspension to accomplish this. Well done.

[M5Rick]

Originally Posted by Bubbles

Despite the Red Bull top speed, it was actually the low speed corners where Max gained time on Ferrari.

Max talent for managing the car control exploited this new strength. Ferrari remains top in high speed corners but low speed is now dominated by Red Bull.

Tire management remains a strength for Max, particularly gaining a 3 sec advantage on his out lap after pit.

Two fastest laps, note Max did not have DRS. Ferrari used DRS to gain top speed advantage but was still slower.
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The rear wing differences are interesting, the Red Bull seems to have a larger DRS flap but may be an optical illusion.

Top speed advantage and low speed advantage seems impossible but Newey and Co have designed a magic suspension to accomplish this. Well done.
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The pace advantage has changed more in favour of RB according to your posted graphs and with Binotto guessing RB are approaching the end of their budget with new parts could be a sign that the reds are beginning to panic.

[M5Rick]

Originally Posted by ///M Power-Belgium

That's for sure . Check out Checo's Pink Mercedes ..

"In nomine Patris et Filii et Spiritus Sancti"

Checo knows where his important feelings lie,bless him.

[M5Rick]

Originally Posted by ///M Power-Belgium

Marko has responded to Binotto's comments that RBR is running out of budget as nonsense.He added that Ferrari's budget may be knocking on a perilous level itself if not more not only because of their awkward bulbous aero package and suspension set up with it's accompanying porpoising but Sainz's several accidents with the hidden additional damage are costing them dear.

[M5Rick]

Don't think anyone has posted highlights of the race, if they have then apologies.

[F87source]

I also wanted to add this from f1technical since it looked cool, it is the CAD view of the legality boxes, i.e. the diamensions the car is allowed to be built upto and must be within.

[NYG]

Starting to look like Red Bull really nailed the new regulations and may have set themselves up for a potential decade of dominance (considering 2026 will be RedBull Porsche).

The era of Super Max is upon us. All hail Jos and Sophie.

[Killed by Death]

Originally Posted by NYG

Starting to look like Red Bull really nailed the new regulations and may have set themselves up for a potential decade of dominance (considering 2026 will be RedBull Porsche).

The era of Super Max is upon us. All hail Jos and Sophie.

[NYG]

Originally Posted by Killed by Death

Wouldn't be too upset about it.

Ferrari is Ferrari and unless they get busted for some new regulation violation, they'll be in the fight too.

I think the 2026 regs is where RedBull and whichever team gets Audi will destroy everyone.

[NYG]

RedBull is still on their first ICE. I would have thought after Australia they'd have to replace.

[Killed by Death]

[///M Power-Belgium]

Originally Posted by Killed by Death

The Russell boy is used to fight in a 5H1T box

[Artemis]

https://grandpx.news/dehydrated-vers...-3kg-in-miami/

"Dehydrated Verstappen lost 3kg in Miami
May 10, 2022

Max Verstappen reportedly lost three kilograms due to dehydration en route to victory in Miami.
The Floridian sun and new street circuit made Sunday’s race a particularly tough one for the F1 drivers, but it emerges that world champion Verstappen was deprived of a drop of water throughout.
“Installing a hydration system is currently being considered by the engineers,” former Red Bull driver Robert Doornbos told Ziggo Sport. “But it’s another kilo of ballast they can’t afford.”
He admitted he isn’t sure if the 2022 Red Bull has a standard drinks bottle installed, “but I wouldn’t be surprised if they decided not to.”
Dutchman Verstappen, 24, was notably exhausted after the race and immediately found a drink and sat down before being ushered onto the podium.
“Max has certainly shown in the last two races that he deserved the title,” 1997 world champion Jacques Villeneuve told the Dutch publication Formule 1.
“He’s right at the peak of his abilities, always on the border. There is not a single race where he is less than that now.”
Villeneuve also thinks a clear driver hierarchy for the 2022 world championship has now emerged at both Red Bull and Ferrari.
“They each have a leader who is not determined by the team but simply by the track,” said the Canadian. “Verstappen and Leclerc have become number 1 in a natural way.
“Carlos Sainz and Sergio Perez – let’s call them the sidekicks – can win races,” Villeneuve added. “But they are not yet at number 1 level.”"

[F87source]

Originally Posted by Artemis

https://grandpx.news/dehydrated-vers...-3kg-in-miami/

"Dehydrated Verstappen lost 3kg in Miami
May 10, 2022

Max Verstappen reportedly lost three kilograms due to dehydration en route to victory in Miami.
The Floridian sun and new street circuit made Sunday’s race a particularly tough one for the F1 drivers, but it emerges that world champion Verstappen was deprived of a drop of water throughout.
“Installing a hydration system is currently being considered by the engineers,” former Red Bull driver Robert Doornbos told Ziggo Sport. “But it’s another kilo of ballast they can’t afford.”
He admitted he isn’t sure if the 2022 Red Bull has a standard drinks bottle installed, “but I wouldn’t be surprised if they decided not to.”
Dutchman Verstappen, 24, was notably exhausted after the race and immediately found a drink and sat down before being ushered onto the podium.
“Max has certainly shown in the last two races that he deserved the title,” 1997 world champion Jacques Villeneuve told the Dutch publication Formule 1.
“He’s right at the peak of his abilities, always on the border. There is not a single race where he is less than that now.”
Villeneuve also thinks a clear driver hierarchy for the 2022 world championship has now emerged at both Red Bull and Ferrari.
“They each have a leader who is not determined by the team but simply by the track,” said the Canadian. “Verstappen and Leclerc have become number 1 in a natural way.
“Carlos Sainz and Sergio Perez – let’s call them the sidekicks – can win races,” Villeneuve added. “But they are not yet at number 1 level.”"

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A 3kg weight loss has got to be brutal without water loading beforehand, but it's not much compared to fighters who will lose upwards of 15lbs. However fighters don't do anything while weight cutting, these drivers have to focus and fight g forces so it's got to feel horrible.

[Artemis]

Originally Posted by ///M Power-Belgium

The Russell boy is used to fight in a 5H1T box

VER, LEC and RUS have one major advantage compared to former world champions HAM, VET and ALO: currently they all have a physical body of 24 years.

And no matter the experience advantage of the veterans, the sequence of physically demanding F1 racing (FP - qualies - races) with stiff competition by the younger generation, is tougher for the older guys to 'process'.

Not surprised that RUS is coping better with the W13 car than HAM. The violent purpoising must be more straining for HAM than for RUS. IMHO, if HAM were 24 again, he would perform better.

[TheBingoBalls]

Originally Posted by NYG

Starting to look like Red Bull really nailed the new regulations and may have set themselves up for a potential decade of dominance (considering 2026 will be RedBull Porsche).

The era of Super Max is upon us. All hail Jos and Sophie.

If we're going to go that far into the future, I wouldn't count at Mercedes. Who's to say Mercedes isn't going to throw the next few seasons just to set up for the 2026 regs? They could treat this as turbo-hybrid era all over again. It's one thing to change rules while carryover some aspects of the car (engine freeze), it's a new game when everything changes.

RB could dominate between now and 2025 but once 2026 comes, I'm not counting out Mercedes. Everyone is so high on Porsche but they have very little F1 experience relative to teams who have been here for the turbo-hybrid era.

[irunalot]

Originally Posted by Artemis

VER, LEC and RUS have one major advantage compared to former world champions HAM, VET and ALO: currently they all have a physical body of 24 years.

And no matter the experience advantage of the veterans, the sequence of physically demanding F1 racing (FP - qualies - races) with stiff competition by the younger generation, is tougher for the older guys to 'process'.

Not surprised that RUS is coping better with the W13 car than HAM. The violent purpoising must be more straining for HAM than for RUS. IMHO, if HAM were 24 again, he would perform better.

Very valid point, and its also clear that the younger drivers take more risks. I have to wonder how a younger Lewis would have handled Max last year. I don't mean in overall ability but in risk taking at race starts, passing, etc. Age plays a huge factor here, he may not have lost the ability to drive fast but is much more careful when he needs to be aggressive. Also the ability to recover in back to back to back weekends will be tougher as well as one ages.

As a Ham fan I hope he wins one more, but the door is closing.

[///M Power-Belgium]

Originally Posted by irunalot

Very valid point, and its also clear that the younger drivers take more risks. I have to wonder how a younger Lewis would have handled Max last year. I don't mean in overall ability but in risk taking at race starts, passing, etc. Age plays a huge factor here, he may not have lost the ability to drive fast but is much more careful when he needs to be aggressive. Also the ability to recover in back to back to back weekends will be tougher as well as one ages.

As a Ham fan I hope he wins one more, but the door is closing.

"Yes and No"

1-Last season HAM was still aggressive enough to ram MAX in the Copse turn at Silverstone !
2-HAM showed his aggressiveness again and pushed Checo into the pitlane at the Turkish GP !

If you mean the last race at Abu Dhabi ?
Well ...HAM couldn't take too much risks in that last lap , because if they both crashed MAX would get the 2021 WDC anyway ..
Because MAX won more races in the 2021 season .

I agree . HAM's door is already closed at Mercedes because he is losing it completely from the Russell boy !
By this HAM's market value is already 'halved and his 2023 Mercedes contract will look like a joke and finally he will refuse it as well ...

HAM has 2 options for the 2023 season :
1- Retire
2- Looking for another team and seat

[irunalot]

Originally Posted by ///M Power-Belgium

"Yes and No"

1-Last season HAM was still aggressive enough to ram MAX in the Copse turn at Silverstone !
2-HAM showed his aggressiveness again and pushed Checo into the pitlane at the Turkish GP !

If you mean the last race at Abu Dhabi ?
Well ...HAM couldn't take too much risks in that last lap , because if they both crashed MAX would get the 2021 WDC anyway ..
Because MAX won more races over the 2021 season .

I agree . HAM's door is already closed at Mercedes because he is losing it completely from the Russell boy !
By this HAM's market value is already 'halved and his 2023 Mercedes contract will look like a joke and finally he will refuse it as well ...

HAM has 2 options for the 2023 season :
1- Retire
2- Looking for another team and seat

Those are good points and I'm not arguing those details and the last race I'm over it. There are things I feel that he would have done differently if it were a 30 year old Hammy. Last year he got pushed and beat by a generational talent and he has been to comfortable for years. That being said I can and will never diminish what he has accomplished. Not starting an argument, that is my opinion and I allowed to have it as you are yours.

BTW I know we will never agree on this topic which is fine we are all F1 fans as far as I'm concerned, but I do appreciate and respect your fire for F1 and Max. I'm a Ham fan as you are a Max fan. Just as you have reasons to support Max I have mine for Ham. Hopefully we can get back to some wheel to wheel racing at some point. If not so be it, the memories were great.

[///M Power-Belgium]

Originally Posted by irunalot

Those are good points and I'm not arguing those details and the last race I'm over it. There are things I feel that he would have done differently if it were a 30 year old Hammy. Last year he got pushed and beat by a generational talent and he has been to comfortable for years. That being said I can and will never diminish what he has accomplished. Not starting an argument, that is my opinion and I allowed to have it as you are yours.

BTW I know we will never agree on this topic which is fine we are all F1 fans as far as I'm concerned, but I do appreciate and respect your fire for F1 and Max. I'm a Ham fan as you are a Max fan. Just as you have reasons to support Max I have mine for Ham. Hopefully we can get back to some wheel to wheel racing at some point. If not so be it, the memories were great.

That's for sure mate

[Artemis]

Originally Posted by NYG

Starting to look like Red Bull really nailed the new regulations and may have set themselves up for a potential decade of dominance (considering 2026 will be RedBull Porsche).
The era of Super Max is upon us. All hail Jos and Sophie.

Hold your horses. Likely there is currently some young super talent blossoming in karting competitions who's capable of making F1 life difficult for VER, LEC and RUS in a couple of years.

Remember that during the 2007 F1 season VER, LEC and RUS were kids of only 9 years while Hamilton was 22 years and racing in F1 (and very close to winning the world championship that season).