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      07-27-2023, 05:37 PM   #3257
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Ban on new gas and diesel cars in 2030 'will not happen'
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I thought they were getting ahead of themselves politically.
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Amazing how the Brits have already forgotten that it was draconian EU rules that forced Brexit. Guess this time they are looking for a real butt whooping.
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Amazing how the Brits have already forgotten that it was draconian EU rules that forced Brexit. Guess this time they are looking for a real butt whooping.
It's good that Brits,Hungary,Poland,Italy and some others now are challenging the authoritarian and unaccountable commands from the E. U bods, one presenting ongoing legal challenges
The whole shebang needs to be dis band ed and its not long before that day will come freeing Bel gium in particular from its over taxed tyranny.
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The wooly mammoths should have been more careful with their CO2 production. If only they had the internet and media back then. Surely, they could have prevented the end of the ice age.
The rubbing of flint to start fires so food could be cooked by cavemen/women was the start of it?
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Serious doubts rolling in of the date in 7 years time for the crazy ban on gas cars, more news on this.
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      07-28-2023, 05:32 AM   #3263
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So many cool car makers are going to put out amazing ev’s!!

This is great! That means they’re continuing on with this transition!!!!!
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^ Can't read you BGM but I'm sure it's a knee jerk reaction
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^ Can't read you BGM but I'm sure it's a knee jerk reaction
I started to roll over his/her comments months ago. Nothing to add to the discussion.
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      07-28-2023, 06:49 AM   #3266
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Troll or idiot, hard to tell, jury is still out.
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So many cool car makers are going to put out amazing ev’s!!

This is great! That means they’re continuing on with this transition!!!!!
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Endurance Of Electric Vehicles Falters In Extreme Heat

Electric vehicles are known to perform sub-optimally in cold weather -- i.e. that's a loss of range and power. A new study has found similar adverse effects when EVs are subjected to scorching temperatures.

Auto blog Carscoops first reported that data science company Recurrent tested several EVs to "analyze the relationship between batteries and their range." Recurrent's data found that if temperatures rise over 100 degrees Fahrenheit, then the ranges of EVs diminish.
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500 EVs Among The 3000 Cars On Burning Ship Off Dutch Coast

K Line, the operator of the car carrier ship involved in a serious North Sea fire casualty, has revealed there were 498 electric vehicles (EVs) on board.

The massive roll-on, roll-off ship ablaze off the Dutch coast is transporting 500 electric vehicles. The ship's total cargo is around 3,800 vehicles, some of which are BMWs and Mercedes.

The figure is far higher than first estimated and appears to raise the likelihood that a lithium-ion battery in an EV either caused the blaze on the ship (built 2013) or added to its severity.

According to K Line, there were 3,783 vehicles on board, all of them new, including the 498 EVs.

The consignment, loaded in Germany, was heading to the Far East via the Suez Canal.

I think one of the EV's battery packs spontaneously combusted...
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Analysts Weigh In After Ford Pushes Back EV Production Timelines, Higher Costs

Ford shares are down hard early in the Friday session, after the automaker said its push into electric vehicles could lose it $4.5 billion this year. To put it briefly, it looks like the price war started by Elon Musk and Tesla in the world of EVs has done damage to the competition...
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My assumption is that like everything the government promotes this will be a dumpster fire.
There will be more inventory than buyers. The depreciation on EV's will cause the companies to have major loses on the leases they hold when EV's are turned in. Anyone want to bet on EV incentives for new and used EV's?

EV's may be right for a lot of folks but overriding the free market will do a lot of damage to a lot of folks and the industry in general. The auto companies are not stupid and are hedging their bets in private. The ESG component of this is enormous. Car companies run on cash.
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My assumption is that like everything the government promotes this will be a dumpster fire.
There will be more inventory than buyers. The depreciation on EV's will cause the companies to have major loses on the leases they hold when EV's are turned in. Anyone want to bet on EV incentives for new and used EV's?

EV's may be right for a lot of folks but overriding the free market will do a lot of damage to a lot of folks and the industry in general. The auto companies are not stupid and are hedging their bets in private. The ESG component of this is enormous. Car companies run on cash.
Without making it political I can't think of a single time that a government has managed any project large or small that was done on time and on budget. I think this will fail but only after trillions are spent, jobs lost, inflation driven much higher and the cost of electricity will likely double.
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My assumption is that like everything the government promotes this will be a dumpster fire.
There will be more inventory than buyers. The depreciation on EV's will cause the companies to have major loses on the leases they hold when EV's are turned in. Anyone want to bet on EV incentives for new and used EV's?

EV's may be right for a lot of folks but overriding the free market will do a lot of damage to a lot of folks and the industry in general. The auto companies are not stupid and are hedging their bets in private. The ESG component of this is enormous. Car companies run on cash.
No it won't!!! BECAUSE EV IS COMING AND 2035 OR 2030 OR WHEVER I SAY IT IS GONNA BE HERE AND YOU WONT BE READY FOR IT WAHHHHHHH!!!

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Prepare Generators

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"Prepare Generators": Largest US Power Grid Declares Emergency Alert For Second Day
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PJM Interconnection LLC declared another Energy Emergency Alert Level 1 through Friday. Excessive heat advisories and warnings cover much of PJM's grid across 13 states, from Illinois to New Jersey, with over 65 million customers. The latest National Weather Service data shows that advisories and warnings for heat plague most of PJM's grid. PJM has issued these alerts to help prepare generators for the onset of intense heat," the grid operator said. This is the second day the largest US grid operator declared a level one emergency. On Thursday, PJM's preliminary peak load was around 148,000 megawatts and is forecasted to peak at around 155,000 megawatts later on Friday. Quick Unplug all your EVs...

PJM expects hot weather to persist through Saturday. Bloomberg data shows average temperatures across the Lower 48 are expected to peak on Saturday and possibly revert to 5-10-30-year averages. Also, notice how the yearly temperature averages have plateaued for the Northern Hemisphere summer.
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Never said it wouldn't happen only that it is being over hyped.

Ford pushes back EV target, warns of wider losses due to slower-than-expected adoption

Ford also said it now expects its EV business unit, Ford Model e, to post an operating loss of about $4.5 billion this year.

In a statement, CEO Jim Farley argued that the more gradual ramp-up of electric vehicle production could be a boon for Ford.
Ford Motor said Thursday pushed back production targets for its electric vehicles, citing slower-than-expected adoption.
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Quick Unplug all your EVs...
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"Prepare Generators": Largest US Power Grid Declares Emergency Alert For Second Day
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PJM Interconnection LLC declared another Energy Emergency Alert Level 1 through Friday. Excessive heat advisories and warnings cover much of PJM's grid across 13 states, from Illinois to New Jersey, with over 65 million customers. The latest National Weather Service data shows that advisories and warnings for heat plague most of PJM's grid. PJM has issued these alerts to help prepare generators for the onset of intense heat," the grid operator said. This is the second day the largest US grid operator declared a level one emergency. On Thursday, PJM's preliminary peak load was around 148,000 megawatts and is forecasted to peak at around 155,000 megawatts later on Friday. Quick Unplug all your EVs...

PJM expects hot weather to persist through Saturday. Bloomberg data shows average temperatures across the Lower 48 are expected to peak on Saturday and possibly revert to 5-10-30-year averages. Also, notice how the yearly temperature averages have plateaued for the Northern Hemisphere summer.
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From this we will see a lot of new pushing of household energy conservation efforts, many of which will be subsidized. Things like new windows, wall insulation, appliances, etc. It will be justified by "we don't have the electric supply to serve peak or prolonged high loads."

This will be coupled with the push to adopt EV's, which are already heavily subsidized.

Question: Don't EV's use electricity too? Don't they use a lot of it?

Strange times we live in... Mandating and subsidizing people buy to carts during a horse shortage.

And before we blame this on some one-off heat wage, recal this just 7 months ago:

VALLEY FORGE, Pennsylvania (WPVI) -- Frigid temperatures are having an effect on the power grid.

PJM Interconnection, the local electricity grid operator, is asking customers to conserve energy starting Saturday at 4 a.m. through Sunday at 10 a.m.

Electricity use right now is higher than usual and officials say conservation is important to prevent any power outages.


https://6abc.com/pjm-interconnection...tion/12609981/
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From this we will see a lot of new pushing of household energy conservation efforts, many of which will be subsidized. Things like new windows, wall insulation, appliances, etc. It will be justified by "we don't have the electric supply to serve peak or prolonged high loads."

This will be coupled with the push to adopt EV's, which are already heavily subsidized.

Question: Don't EV's use electricity too? Don't they use a lot of it?

Strange times we live in... Mandating and subsidizing people buy to carts during a horse shortage.
Agreed. Watch California. It's already happening there with draconian building codes not to mention their watching the water (e.g. CA toilet tank flush volume mandates) on top of CA's presently smoldering grid. There isn't enough Li in the world to convert the vehicle fleet to EV or even hybrid, nor ten year olds to mine the Li, and 'they' know this. IF the fleet of vehicles presently on the road in the United States were to be converted to EV, the U.S. would need to build and bring online one new coal fired power plant per week - just like China did in the late 2010s, and that would be just to keep up with demand for power. But could the current American grid and its decrepit infrastructure endure the increasing peak power demand loading? Answer = No. Their agenda is far more nefarious IMO. And who would pay for these new power plants and new infrastructure (grid)? And where would all the coal come from?

Once CBDCs, Social Credit scores, and WooFlew passports are combined with "the internet of things" (google it) a person won't even be able to charge their EV or flush their toilet, nor even buy meat IF they're a so called non conformist and their social credit score isn't up to snuff (and who will be doing the judging of citizens). EV's are a vehicle (pun) towards much more social control and prohibiting citizens movement - aka being free to move and travel on the land (anymore). The very word government is derived from two words; governus (means control) and mentos (means mind) - the combination means "mind-control". Ah now we see it.
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