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      04-25-2023, 08:37 PM   #2047
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So what is your solution to provide EV charging to Coop residents of Manhattan, Brooklyn, Queens and Bronx. We are talking about millions of ppl. They are low to middle income on average. These folks park on the street and donít have private garages or even a garage in their building.

Are we just going to buy all of them new EVs and a dedicated street charger. How about all the NYCHA / Section 8 buildings.
He doesnít care man. Read back a few dozen pages. Most of us here have been having a decent discussion with about EV and his only input is we are afraid. Why people like him always accuse others with different opinions of having those opinions out the fear is beyond me. Itís freaking lame. But itís more beyond that. For the most part heís just a dozen pages into trolling. Heís the threads token troll.
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Could you imagine Florida during a hurricane evacuation
100%. As I keep saying, I will probably end up with at least one electric vehicle in my six car fleet at some point. But I assure you of this, during the hurricane evacuation that will not be my go to vehicle for obvious reasons.
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Putting the politics aside, this is where technology is going. Whether we like it or not, the future will be electric. There will come a point where the EVs will have far better performance than anything an ICE vehicle can match. They will be faster, have more features, better driving dynamics, more convenient to charge, drive longer on a charge than a fill-up, more reliable and easier to maintain. And it seems, except for the petroleum industry most people want this evolution to take place. Those who want to stick to ICE vehicles will still be able to for the rest of our lifetimes. You may have to pay a few bucks per gallon in additional taxes, but this is not going to be an issue for someone who is shelling out the kind of money needed to drive a BMW. Look at what happened to cigarettes. It used to be a $1 a pack and because of all the taxes it is closer to $15 today. Guess what, those who are passionate about smoking still do. This won't be any different.
What most people? Right now EV is around 7% of the market. EV has been in the market nearly 30 years now. There has yet to be a competitive EV product that matches or exceeds ICE as a complete replacement transportation solution when the market is looked at as a whole. ICE can meet anyone's transportation needs, EV cannot.

I've been following EV since before the GM EV1. EV has been and still is just a promise. It WILL be better, it WILL be faster, it WILL provide range, it WILL recharge in 5 minutes. I've been reading the same shit for 20 years; "it will come". People buy on the here and now, not on promises. If EV was ready, then there would be no proposed 2035 ICE ban, there'd be no tax rebates, there'd be no proposed EPA emissions regulations that essentially abolish ICE.

A new battery technology is on the horizon we've been told over and over. When it gets here, it's back to the top of the cost curve. The lithium ion tech has bottomed out on the cost curve and the average EV is $60K. It's great to be optimistic, but tech doesn't always get better and cheaper. I've not found one resource that walks through the engineering and cost curves that show EV get cheaper and offers as good or better performance than ICE (cost, recharge speed and range). It's just a promise, we have to believe, the Planet is at stake. Please. Lol.
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I can't even imagine Florida. Why don't they dig it up and build it smaller and higher?
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What most people? Right now EV is around 7% of the market. EV has been in the market nearly 30 years now. There has yet to be a competitive EV product that matches or exceeds ICE as a complete replacement transportation solution when the market is looked at as a whole. ICE can meet anyone's transportation needs, EV cannot.

I've been following EV since before the GM EV1. EV has been and still is just a promise. It WILL be better, it WILL be faster, it WILL provide range, it WILL recharge in 5 minutes. I've been reading the same shit for 20 years; "it will come". People buy on the here and now, not on promises. If EV was ready, then there would be no proposed 2035 ICE ban, there'd be no tax rebates, there'd be no proposed EPA emissions regulations that essentially abolish ICE.

A new battery technology is on the horizon we've been told over and over. When it gets here, it's back to the top of the cost curve. The lithium ion tech has bottomed out on the cost curve and the average EV is $60K. It's great to be optimistic, but tech doesn't always get better and cheaper. I've not found one resource that walks through the engineering and cost curves that show EV get cheaper and offers as good or better performance than ICE (cost, recharge speed and range). It's just a promise, we have to believe, the Planet is at stake. Please. Lol.
100% disagree. That it is a solution for every situation is ridiculous. Neither is an F-350 or M4. EV1 was pie-in-the-sky and before it was practical. Now it is practical and working in many situations, not for 30 years, but regularly more like 10-15. The are working every day. Unlike EV1s.
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lol, yeah things are getting better everyday! Wages are going up! Cost of living is going down! Thereís an increasing percentage of younger home owners over previous generations! Demographics arenít changing at all! Infrastructure and city layout is ideal! People act like the current state of the tech is the only thing holding back EVs from taking over. It is such a multilayered situation, itís practically impossible to consider all factors. Yet itís seemingly the solution to all our problems! How asinine can we be?
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100% disagree. That it is a solution for every situation is ridiculous. Neither is an F-350 or M4. EV1 was pie-in-the-sky and before it was practical. Now it is practical and working in many situations, not for 30 years, but regularly more like 10-15. The are working every day. Unlike EV1s.
You missed my point; perhaps on purpose.

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lol, yeah things are getting better everyday! Wages are going up! Cost of living is going down! Thereís an increasing percentage of younger home owners over previous generations! Demographics arenít changing at all! Infrastructure and city layout is ideal! People act like the current state of the tech is the only thing holding back EVs from taking over. It is such a multilayered situation, itís practically impossible to consider all factors. Yet itís seemingly the solution to all our problems! How asinine can we be?
And in the span of about 12 years* we went from flying chimps in orbit to men driving an EV on the Moon.

*The Model S is in its 12th model year of production in 2023...

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I can't even imagine Florida. Why don't they dig it up and build it smaller and higher?
Why would we do that? Florida is fine. Best state in the union. Iíll take our freedom over any other state and what they have any day of the week. Cracks me up when my colleagues from New Jersey roll their eyes as Florida as tens of thousands of their fellow citizens evacuate their state to Florida every month seeking asylum.
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^ Few years ago we went to Miami (at the time when Houston flooded) and were surprised at the amount of stayers in our hotel from NY and NJ, not that surprised as when we waited for our connecting flight in Newark it was freezing there.
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^ Few years ago we went to Miami (at the time when Houston flooded) and were surprised at the amount of stayers in our hotel from NY and NJ, not that surprised as when we waited for our connecting flight in Newark it was freezing there.
Oh yes. All of south east Florida (not Miami) are refugees from New York, New Jersey and Pennsylvania. Mostly Philadelphia. Not surprisingly itís the worst run part of the state. The rest of us tolerate them though.
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So what is your solution to provide EV charging to Coop residents of Manhattan, Brooklyn, Queens and Bronx. We are talking about millions of ppl. They are low to middle income on average. These folks park on the street and donít have private garages or even a garage in their building.

Are we just going to buy all of them new EVs and a dedicated street charger. How about all the NYCHA / Section 8 buildings.
Itíll be figured out.

Didnít nyc ban the sale of new gas cars in 2035?

I know the ban has been made but isnít nyc cemented for that ban?

When I buy cars, or think about evolution the last thing Iím thinking about are fucking section 8 people. Thatís why you think it wonít work, because what about them? Lmaoooo ok man

Letís have fun in 2035! Letís go Elon!
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2022 - Mary Barra...we will catch and pass Tesla by 2025.

Today - Mary Barra in earnings call...GM plans to produce 400,000 EVs over the course of 2022, 2023, and the first half of 2024.

Meanwhile, Tesla 2022 total one year production - 1.37 million.


Also Bolt production announced to be ending. 20,670 EVs delivered in 2023 Q1. 19,700 of those were Bolts. 2 Hummers and 968 Lyriqs delivered. GM Ultium platform EV scaling is embarrassing. If this keeps up, Mary Barra won't last at GM.
GM lost their ways a long time ago. They could have had a Three EV competitors to Tesla Model 3 already at 2012 if they didn't miss manage as they always do...
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Why would we do that? Florida is fine. Best state in the union. Iíll take our freedom over any other state and what they have any day of the week. Cracks me up when my colleagues from New Jersey roll their eyes as Florida as tens of thousands of their fellow citizens evacuate their state to Florida every month seeking asylum.
Management from hell, some say literally, will do that.
This is ONE year. But yeah, it's all good.
Thank you sir may I have another.
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Management from hell, some say literally, will do that.
This is ONE year. But yeah, it's all good.
Thank you sir may I have another.
Note all the states they are leaving and then the states they are moving to. Unbelievable. Still, I canít blame them.
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Itíll be figured out.

Didnít nyc ban the sale of new gas cars in 2035?

I know the ban has been made but isnít nyc cemented for that ban?

When I buy cars, or think about evolution the last thing Iím thinking about are fucking section 8 people. Thatís why you think it wonít work, because what about them? Lmaoooo ok man

Letís have fun in 2035! Letís go Elon!
Dude, your callous tone speaks volumes. Enjoy your EV, no one except for insecure teenagers are jealous of your cool ride.
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BGM lol you must be enjoying having your arm twisted to being told you can only buy a new car so long it's only an EV in 10-12 years time but this policy may be retracted after all anyway.
I've let my party know that I won't vote for them if they continue on this path
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Note all the states they are leaving and then the states they are moving to. Unbelievable. Still, I canít blame them.
It's tax migration. All neg. States are heavy taxation states that residents can no longer write off their large state tax bills.
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Dude, your callous tone speaks volumes. Enjoy your EV, no one except for insecure teenagers are jealous of your cool ride.
I have a g80 too thatís not a cool ride? Lmaooo

I love my ev and only closed minded insecure people will forever hate on them.

Enjoy trying to live in the past while youíre going to be ďforcedĒ to deal with the future come 2035!


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BGM lol you must be enjoying having your arm twisted to being told you can only buy a new car so long it's only an EV in 10-12 years time but this policy may be retracted after all anyway.
I've let my party know that I won't vote for them if they continue on this path
RIP to your comment in 5-7 years time. You’ll see how serious this is.

Enjoy 2035!
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