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      04-27-2023, 09:10 AM   #2091
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Ah, so it's only derailing a thread when somebody else is doing it .

Rivian, Tesla and all the conventional car makers haven't been able to produce electric cars fast enough to meet demand. The premiums they have been going for on auction sites has been insane. That demand is slowing a bit now, as it is for all cars, but your assertion that "no one wants them" and that sales are lagging because electric variants are "pretty crap" is some brilliant head-in-the-sand bullshit.

I know people who own multiple teslas, rivians and lucids who absolutely, frikkin love them. And they all make too much money for the tax credits


Not to mention all these EV's that are still going for well over MSRP on auction sites:

https://carsandbids.com/auctions/KDG...ckup-edition-1
https://carsandbids.com/auctions/9X5...ckup-edition-1
https://carsandbids.com/auctions/r4p...launch-edition
https://carsandbids.com/auctions/35G...enture-edition

https://www.businessinsider.com/elon...nd-2023-1?op=1

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Tesla has slashed the prices of its Model 3 sedan and Model Y SUV between 6% and 20% in the US, as it reverses strategy after demand tapers
EVs are the future, but only people world governments say so, not consumers.
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EVs are the future, but only people world governments say so, not consumers.
Great. Are you done?
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      04-27-2023, 09:19 AM   #2093
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EVs are the future, but only people world governments say so, not consumers.
Tesla is doing that as part of a price war with the traditional auto makers, they have margin to spare so they are cutting prices to stay dominant.

In the yahoo article you posted the primary concern people had was cost, as EV's are getting cheaper (per the article you just linked ) and more used EV's are on the market that will become less of a concern.

Obviously environmental concerns and government pressure are playing a part, but they are also many fantastic EV's that are the farthest thing from "pretty crap" vehicles that "no ones wants"
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Ah, so it's only derailing a thread when somebody else is doing it .

Rivian, Tesla and all the conventional car makers haven't been able to produce electric cars fast enough to meet demand. The premiums they have been going for on auction sites has been insane. That demand is slowing a bit now, as it is for all cars, but your assertion that "no one wants them" and that sales are lagging because electric variants are "pretty crap" is some brilliant head-in-the-sand bullshit.

I know people who own multiple teslas, rivians and lucids who absolutely, frikkin love them. And they all make too much money for the tax credits


Not to mention all these EV's that are still going for well over MSRP on auction sites:

https://carsandbids.com/auctions/KDG...ckup-edition-1
https://carsandbids.com/auctions/9X5...ckup-edition-1
https://carsandbids.com/auctions/r4p...launch-edition
https://carsandbids.com/auctions/35G...enture-edition
You don’t say….https://carbuzz.com/news/bmw-m-will-...ustion-engines
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Tesla is doing that as part of a price war with the traditional auto makers, they have margin to spare so they are cutting prices to stay dominant.

In the yahoo article you posted the primary concern people had was cost, as EV's are getting cheaper (per the article you just linked ) and more used EV's are on the market that will become less of a concern.

Obviously environmental concerns and government pressure are playing a part, but they are also many fantastic EV's that are the farthest thing from "pretty crap" vehicles that "no ones wants"
5% of total sales.
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5% of total sales.
Show me the mountains of unsold EV's, 5% of total sales is a production issue, not a demand issue.

Regardless you have clearly stopped trying to argue your brain dead "EV's are pretty crap vehicles that no ones wants" take so my work here is done.
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Show me the mountains of unsold EV's, 5% of total sales is a production issue, not a demand issue.

Regardless you have clearly stopped trying to argue your brain dead "EV's are pretty crap vehicles that no ones wants" take so my work here is done.
5% of sales. New car prices were increased for ALL vehicles due to material shortages, used cars increased in price as a result. Again, EVs were 5% of sales.

Evs are absolutely garbage, and only the people with more money than actual sense are arguing otherwise.
I asked before and I’ll ask again :

How are you saving the environment by buying a new car every x years?
What’s more environmentally friendly - keeping a car you own or buying a new one?

EVs aren’t about saving anyone, they are about pushing people to be locked into an electrical grid and eventually be part of their total “consumption/carbon footprint” profile where they can essentially make you pick between heating your home and driving.

https://www.euronews.com/next/2022/1...p-you-pay-them

https://www.euronews.com/next/2022/1...p-you-pay-them

But I guess this is just a “conspiracy”

https://www.shellenergy.co.uk/blog/p...ture-of-energy

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“Smart meters bring a whole host of benefits: they’ll tell you how much you’re spending in real time, which means there are no nasty surprises when your bill turns up. … But, perhaps best of all, smart meters give you real-time information on your energy use.

“They let you know exactly how much it’s costing you to boil that kettle or charge your phone. Armed with this knowledge, you can make a more informed decision about whether to turn up the heating, or put another load in the tumble dryer. …

“Smart meters are set to revolutionise the way we use electricity. They make it easier for suppliers like us to offer cheaper, off-peak rates for, say, charging your electric car. They tell us more about how you use your energy, which means we can offer you more suitable tariffs. It may be that, one day, you’re offered cheaper electricity on sunny or windy days, when clean energy is easier to come by.”
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Bookmark this - it’s been talked about in circle for years, you can come back and say you heard it here.
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Lol @ hydrogen making more sense

If anyone would have implemented that is Cali, ask them how the clarity is doing lmaooooo

Damn I can’t wait for 2035. Or actually 2028-2030 when chit starts to get real mang!!!

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How are you saving the environment by buying a new car every x years?
What’s more environmentally friendly - keeping a car you own or buying a new one?
The argument is about buying a new gas car vs a new electric car. Obviously continuing to drive your old car longer is best for the environment but eventually people buy new cars. I can't believe you need this explained to you.

EV's don't have an expiration date, their batteries need replacement and reconditioning with age and mileage but so do ICE's and there are fewer points of failure with electric motors and batteries than EV's.

Also the links you sent are literally just common sense, if the complete cost of fuel (including it's environmental effects) are imposed on fuel, then it should also be imposed on electricity. If it's better for the environment to charge your car during off peak times or when solar/wind energy is in surplus than of course that should be cheaper.
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Lol @ hydrogen making more sense

If anyone would have implemented that is Cali, ask them how the clarity is doing lmaooooo

Damn I can’t wait for 2035. Or actually 2028-2030 when chit starts to get real mang!!!

2035 on the move!!!!
My friend had a Clarity and now a Mirai. We did a 1000 mile road trip and it worked great.

Hydrogen EV refuels like a gasoline car, it has a huge range advantage over Battery EV and hydrogen can be produced using eco friendly means... there's no disadvantage other than cost at this point. Adoption is slow outside of California but it can ramp up.
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My friend had a Clarity and now a Mirai. We did a 1000 mile road trip and it worked great.

Hydrogen EV refuels like a gasoline car, it has a huge range advantage over Battery EV and hydrogen can be produced using eco friendly means... there's no disadvantage other than cost at this point. Adoption is slow outside of California but it can ramp up.
He doesn’t care dude. He’s not here to discuss or debate. He’s here to troll.
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He doesn’t care dude. He’s not here to discuss or debate. He’s here to troll.
The best way to deal with trolls is just ignore then. Don't feed them!
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The best way to deal with trolls is just ignore then. Don't feed them!
Agreed, I don't even look at his posts anymore and if his is the last post I don't even open the thread.
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Agreed, I don't even look at his posts anymore and if his is the last post I don't even open the thread.
+1 after my last one with him.
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Agreed, I don't even look at his posts anymore and if his is the last post I don't even open the thread.
Funny, I do the same since I already knew there won't be any useful information from the post.

Back to the topic, I am on my 3 EV for DD (clocking over 110k miles) but opened mind enough to recognize EV only work for a small portion of the population.
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Funny, I do the same since I already knew there won't be any useful information from the post.

Back to the topic, I am on my 3 EV for DD (clocking over 110k miles) but opened mind enough to recognize EV only work for a small portion of the population.
I have nothing against EV or anything else for that matter, buy what works for you. My issue which I have stated numerous times boils down to a few things. EV's aren't for everyone so to force them on everyone is a losing proposition. The range, capacity and infrastructure are a long way from being able to accommodate a great deal of the population. Fix the battery/range issues, build power plants and get infrastructure in place before you force ICE out of the game. Oh, and let people decide what they want to drive. If EV's are the solution people will buy them without being forced.
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My friend had a Clarity and now a Mirai. We did a 1000 mile road trip and it worked great.

Hydrogen EV refuels like a gasoline car, it has a huge range advantage over Battery EV and hydrogen can be produced using eco friendly means... there's no disadvantage other than cost at this point. Adoption is slow outside of California but it can ramp up.
There’s no disadvantage other than cost?? Lmaooooooo

Yeah you clearly don’t know the downside to mass hydrogen transition.

Let the ev stuff take over dude. It’s ok. It’ll be fine.

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There’s no disadvantage other than cost?? Lmaooooooo

Yeah you clearly don’t know the downside to mass hydrogen transition.
As if you understand anything about the physics or logistics of transition to 100% battery/EV propulsion?
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As if you understand anything about the physics or logistics of transition to 100% battery/EV propulsion?
Don’t need to. What you’re seeing are the results to perfect planning.

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Don’t need to. What you’re seeing are the results to perfect planning.

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Do you clearly know the downside of Hydrogen-generated EVs?
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