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      04-27-2023, 01:39 PM   #2113
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Do you clearly know the downside of Hydrogen-generated EVs?
I do. But there’s no need to create a back and forth of 10 thread pages between you and I.

The short answer is, no it won’t work otherwise that would be implemented into the future plan, not ev.

Ev is here and will be the future in 2035. Move on already.

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      04-27-2023, 02:08 PM   #2114
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I do. But there’s no need to create a back and forth of 10 thread pages between you and I.

The short answer is, no it won’t work otherwise that would be implemented into the future plan, not ev.

Ev is here and will be the future in 2035. Move on already.

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So you are a hydrogen propulsion expert, but not a battery/EV propulsion expert, and you endorse battery/EV propulsion as the solution? Fascinating.

The whole point of the thread is to go back and forth with ideas/concerns/solutions. Some of us are subject matter experts, some are just here to develop their own ideas, others, well...

Now we can pin you to the "Hydrogen solutions expert" group, and we can exclude you from the "battery/EV propulsion" and "power grid/delivery" expert list.

Your proof that hydrogen isn't the answer (and with you being a Hydrogen solutions expert) is that " otherwise that would be implemented into the future plan". AKA, "it's bad idea, or else we would already be doing it". Clearly perfect logic, I may borrow that later.

See? now we are making progress in the discussion...
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“If it were the best solution, we would be moving forward with it”

Does this guy live in the real world? Astoundingly naïve and arrogant.
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      04-27-2023, 02:22 PM   #2116
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It's like trying to reason with a paper plate.
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      04-27-2023, 02:28 PM   #2117
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So you are a hydrogen propulsion expert, but not a battery/EV propulsion expert, and you endorse battery/EV propulsion as the solution? Fascinating.

The whole point of the thread is to go back and forth with ideas/concerns/solutions. Some of us are subject matter experts, some are just here to develop their own ideas, others, well...

Now we can pin you to the "Hydrogen solutions expert" group, and we can exclude you from the "battery/EV propulsion" and "power grid/delivery" expert list.

Your proof that hydrogen isn't the answer (and with you being a Hydrogen solutions expert) is that " otherwise that would be implemented into the future plan". AKA, "it's bad idea, or else we would already be doing it". Clearly perfect logic, I may borrow that later.

See? now we are making progress in the discussion...

Lmao read our previous back and forth way back early in the thread.

I don’t need to discuss what’s better or worse, or what will work and what won’t. You guys are already discussing it.

I’m saying, EV IS GOING TO HAPPEN NO MATTER HOW MUCH BITCHING EVERYONE IS DOING.

See? This is progress.
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      04-27-2023, 02:29 PM   #2118
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It's like trying to reason with a paper plate.
And I’m reading posts from a bunch of bloody ass tampons from their broken pussies.

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Lmao read our previous back and forth way back early in the thread.

I don’t need to discuss what’s better or worse, or what will work and what won’t. You guys are already discussing it.
So you are just here to baselessly insult and add/project your "emotions"? Step back and let the men talk honey...
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https://www.yahoo.com/finance/news/a...114500321.html

Unfortunately, the carrot-and-stick approach hasn’t worked. To drive EV adoption higher, the government and auto industry need to resolve two key hurdles for ordinary consumers: cost and infrastructure.

Cost and charger conundrum
Roughly 80% of Americans name “costs” and the “availability of charging stations” as their EV biggest concerns. There are only 53,000 electric charging stations in the U.S. compared to 145,000 gas stations, according to the World Economic Forum. Charging an EV is substantially more time consuming, which explains why charging stations need to exceed gas stations for comparable availability.

Reliability ranks as another key issue. Drivers seldom have to worry about their local gas station being out of service – but one-fourth of charging stations tested by climate advocacy group Cool the Earth didn’t function.

Resolving these issues could take years, which means the Biden Administration’s target of 67% EV adoption is likely unrealistic. It also means gas-powered vehicles and fossil fuels are here to stay for the foreseeable future. The petroleum sector is under appreciated by many investors, which could create bargain opportunities.
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I don't see why automakers don't join together in a joint venture to create a universal charging network. They should have done so years ago instead of sitting on their hands and watching Tesla solve that problem for their product only. They all have billions invested in electric, there's not one manufacturer that doesn't have plans to go in that direction, and every company's success or failure relies on it. Methinks they are waiting for the gubment to do something, as usual.
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So you are just here to baselessly insult and add/project your "emotions"? Step back and let the men talk honey...
Read the thread. Lots of insults were thrown around.

I would step back, when l actually can see real men talk.

All I see is bitching. From you know what type of people……

Lmaoooo
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I don't see why automakers don't join together in a joint venture to create a universal charging network. They all have billions invested in electric, there's not one manufacturer that doesn't have plans to go in that direction, and every company's success or failure relies on it. Methinks they are waiting for the gubment to do something, as usual.
I think it's the same reason they don't get involved in the gas/petroleum industry.

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They should have done so years ago instead of sitting on their hands and watching Tesla solve that problem for their product only.
Tesla has created a proprietary system, I wouldn't call that a success for the industry, only a success for Tesla.

Remember: betamax was king for a while, it was even a superior product in many objective measures. Proprietary solutions have their limits in a free market.

Ford used to make their own rubber and steel, they stopped doing that long ago for a reason.
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I think it's the same reason they don't get involved in the gas/petroleum industry.



Tesla has created a proprietary system, I wouldn't call that a success for the industry, only a success for Tesla.

Remember: betamax was king for a while, it was even a superior product in many objective measures. Proprietary solutions have their limits in a free market.

Ford used to make their own rubber and steel, they stopped doing that long ago for a reason.
Didn't Tesla say they were looking into opening up their network to outside EVs? If Tesla is successful in running the whole charging network in the US, I think it's game over for other manufacturers, as that revenue will allow them to continue to maintain a margin gap over everyone else on EV production.
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Things that make you go hmmmmmmm...

https://www.yahoo.com/finance/news/a...114500321.html
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Didn't Tesla say they were looking into opening up their network to outside EVs? If Tesla is successful in running the whole charging network in the US, I think it's game over for other manufacturers, as that revenue will allow them to continue to maintain a margin gap over everyone else on EV production.
Maybe larger gas stations can save a section for 10 or 15 charging stations. The only problem I see with that is they’ll be no place for long ass lines. And I really wouldn’t call the Tesla Netwerk at success story. They have a lot of them but it’s not like they’re on every street corner like gas stations. It’s not even kind of close. In order to have a successful charging network that could supply 30 to 50% of all vehicles on the road. You probably would need somewhere in the neighborhood of 500 times what Tesla has now.
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I'm sure nobody outside of perhaps Chad saw this;

https://energycommerce.house.gov/pos...lectrical-grid

I'd be curious to see if anything comes out of this, but I don't have my hopes up.
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Things that make you go hmmmmmmm...

https://www.yahoo.com/finance/news/a...114500321.html

exactly....who writes this crap? CEO of Exxon???

What idiot would write that and not do a simple search of the best selling cars in 2023???

Hint- The Model Y is the best selling car(non truck) in the US in 2023 and the Model 3 #6 on the list.... and they don't even advertise

https://www.caranddriver.com/news/g4...ing-cars-2023/
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I'm sure nobody outside of perhaps Chad saw this;

https://energycommerce.house.gov/pos...lectrical-grid

I'd be curious to see if anything comes out of this, but I don't have my hopes up.
It seems for some, there is no room for truthful bad news in this discussion, or the national media I'm surprised it even got published.

It's why I keep saying "build and they will come? good luck ". We can't even support what we've already built.
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Maybe larger gas stations can save a section for 10 or 15 charging stations. The only problem I see with that is they’ll be no place for long ass lines. And I really wouldn’t call the Tesla Netwerk at success story. They have a lot of them but it’s not like they’re on every street corner like gas stations. It’s not even kind of close. In order to have a successful charging network that could supply 30 to 50% of all vehicles on the road. You probably would need somewhere in the neighborhood of 500 times what Tesla has now.



most people charge at home or at work and don't even need Super Charger stations....they are all over SoCal and I've never seen one with a line of waiting cars
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Most people don't live in Southern California. Also, most people are tired of So Cal and CARB dictating what we drive and what use for energy, and the price we pay for energy.
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Most people don't live in Southern California. Also, most people are tired of So Cal and CARB dictating what we drive and what use for energy, and the price we pay for energy.

California doesnt dictate anything you do on the east coast....they just lead the way and the rest eventually follow
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California doesnt dictate anything you do on the east coast....they just lead the way and the rest eventually follow
Where was that map of the net migration by state...? Lol.
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