[Carrera RSR]

No not the theft of my black grills.........


.....nor the BMW wheel centres............



..... nor the dust caps............


but


it's my hard earned taxes being squandered by people employed to look after my interests. At best it's bringing the government in to disrepute and they should be sacked. At worst it is theft and fraud and the Police should be taking legal action in the courts. How they think the can pay pack up to £100k for and empty flat in Kent, £16,000 for non existent mortgages or £400 a month for food and then be 'cleared' of the expense beggars belief. Does a car thief handing back the car when caught allow him to not receive a court appearance. I think not. So how do politicians feel they are beyond the law.


FFS I am really mad. I'd lose my job for stealing stationary

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk_politics/8110022.stm

[foxy-367]

Just another case of 'Rip off Britain' might just f@@@ off to Australia!

[scooba0010]

Has several propertys and has decided if ministers can avoid CGT ,so will he i advised it will end in tears mate but he has sited some law and said if he is pursued to the courts he would rather spend the money on legal representation .

He is under the illusion if you can prove someone else was let of or treated more leanently you can ask for the same and as they paid nothing why should he


These mps are thieving scum .All the partys are the same look at what prescott and kinnocks have done etc etc these guys were supposed to be for the working public

[NFS]

Originally Posted by carrerarsr

So how do politicians feel they are beyond the law.

Because over the years they have manipulated and changed the 'law' to support the system that they are now apparently so ashamed of.

For instance, if any of us tried to argue with HMRC that we had received money as 'expenses' that were not 'wholly and exclusively' necessary to the function of our job, we would be charged tax on them as a 'benefit in kind'.

But .. the MP's are allowed claim all sorts of things that benefit them personally as tax free expenses.

The reality is that this has been treated as an allowance system and the bulk of their 'expenses' should have been classed as taxable income. It would be for the rest if us, but when you make the rules you can do what you want.

Same with 'flipping'. Do you think HMRC would accept that anyone claiming for a second home as a business expense could simultaneously declare it as a main residence for capital gains tax? Of course not, if we tried it we would be pursued in the courts, but HMRC have made it expressly allowable in the case of MP's.

[Dr Dave]

Frankly, it stinks.

The sooner the Police get their claws into this whole saga the better. Give the papers something to report on!

Our local MP claimed £700-odd for a digital camera and accessories - how the fuck can that ever be justified??

It's nothing short of theft and should be treated as such by the courts.

[Carrera RSR]

Originally Posted by Dr Dave

Frankly, it stinks.

The sooner the Police get their claws into this whole saga the better. Give the papers something to report on!

Our local MP claimed £700-odd for a digital camera and accessories - how the fuck can that ever be justified??

It's nothing short of theft and should be treated as such by the courts.

Agreed

In the court of law ignorance is not a get out clause. So when an MP says it was an error and they did not know of the error.....sorry no excuse. Even more saying they will pay the money back as so many have done, around £500k so far, again no excuse for fraud, theft and deception in my book.

[quattrogmbh]

Paying the funds back "After the Fact" is actually constituted as an admission of guilt. If this does go as far as a court of law, I would expect the court to judge "errors and ommisions" corrected prior to the publication of the statement of fact as acceptable and dilligent. Anything paid back after the publication solely as an admission of guilt or financial negligence. This is the same offence that the courts are hoping to charge finance industry leaders with. Those cases would set very nice precedent :-)

[Dr Dave]

Originally Posted by carrerarsr

Agreed

In the court of law ignorance is not a get out clause. So when an MP says it was an error and they did not know of the error.....sorry no excuse. Even more saying they will pay the money back as so many have done, around £500k so far, again no excuse for fraud, theft and deception in my book.

If this were me or you, we'd be out of a job under gross misconduct!

Makes I proper fucking mad!!!!

[Carrera RSR]

Originally Posted by quattrogmbh

Paying the funds back "After the Fact" is actually constituted as an admission of guilt. If this does go as far as a court of law, I would expect the court to judge "errors and ommisions" corrected prior to the publication of the statement of fact as acceptable and dilligent. Anything paid back after the publication solely as an admission of guilt or financial negligence. This is the same offence that the courts are hoping to charge finance industry leaders with. Those cases would set very nice precedent :-)

But when you submit a document of expenses incurred during your employment and sign it as checked and correct that doesn't mean 'errors and omissions!! You cannot then pay up £16,000 for a mortgage that hasn't existed for three years as an error. Sorry that is fraud. Even if this is paid before the Telegraph outs you that is not acceptable. If the noose was not being tightened by this expose we would as tax payers be stumping up millions of our hard earned to supplement peoples homes and lifestyles.

[Dr Dave]

.................and the sooner these CROOKS are put through the 'system' the better.

I'll bet they will only get SLAPPED WRISTS.

[Carrera RSR]

Originally Posted by Dr Dave

.................and the sooner these CROOKS are put through the 'system' the better.

I'll bet they will only get SLAPPED WRISTS.

And toddle back off to their £250,000 a year second, third of forth jobs. Because all of us know that £63,000 a year as an MP is not enough

[lons]

Originally Posted by Dr Dave

.................and the sooner these CROOKS are put through the 'system' the better.

I'll bet they will only get SLAPPED WRISTS.

Yeah........... A very few of them will "go through the system" as scapegoats for the majority who will quietly go into recess and the general public will let it slip away.

How can the bastards claim £400 a month for food even when paliament in recess or they are in their constituancy?

I cant even claim entertaining for my business without it being scrutinised FFS.

I read a while ago that Tony Blairs' expenses had been "accidentally shredded" - interesting if true!

[Carrera RSR]

Originally Posted by lons

Yeah........... A very few of them will "go through the system" as scapegoats for the majority who will quietly go into recess and the general public will let it slip away.

How can the bastards claim £400 a month for food even when paliament in recess or they are in their constituancy?

I cant even claim entertaining for my business without it being scrutinised FFS.

I read a while ago that Tony Blairs' expenses had been "accidentally shredded" - interesting if true!

I am allowed £5 for lunch if on the road. Only two drinks with my meal whilst in a hotel. A newspaper in the morning.

No second mortgage allowance, no new plasma or home comforts, not even a porn movie in the hotel, let alone cleaners, laundry service, Sky TV, computers, cameras, duck houses, moat cleaning etc. etc.

We often ask ourselves what planet these twats are on but never really thought they really lived in another Universe. No wonder they can't grasp reality of Mr and Mrs Middle England in an economic downturn

[beemerbird]

Agree with everyones comments.

Would you believe that myself and my colleagues as 'public servants' are not even allowed to accept a gift of a box of chocolates from a member of the public nor a solicitor (that would be a first anyhow lol). The 'gift' could be constituted as a bribe. Utter bollocks ffs!!!!

[lons]

Originally Posted by carrerarsr

I am allowed £5 for lunch if on the road. Only two drinks with my meal whilst in a hotel. A newspaper in the morning.

No second mortgage allowance, no new plasma or home comforts, not even a porn movie in the hotel, let alone cleaners, laundry service, Sky TV, computers, cameras, duck houses, moat cleaning etc. etc.

We often ask ourselves what planet these twats are on but never really thought they really lived in another Universe. No wonder they can't grasp reality of Mr and Mrs Middle England in an economic downturn

Absolutely spot on.

I've been down the "expenses" route as an employee and now in my own business, I'm not officially "allowed" to put through the business, materials for instance for repairs on my own home without adding a suitable mark up and paying privately.

These bastards get new kitchens and bathrooms, council tax, tv licence and christ knows what else. Makes my blood boil

[lons]

Originally Posted by beemerbird

Agree with everyones comments.

Would you believe that myself and my colleagues as 'public servants' are not even allowed to accept a gift of a box of chocolates from a member of the public nor a solicitor (that would be a first anyhow lol). The 'gift' could be constituted as a bribe. Utter bollocks ffs!!!!

My wife works for the NHS within the prison service and during a prison officer's strike they worked overtime to keep the prisoners supplied with their drugs (f**** me off anyway). The governers gave 4 of them each £50 worth of shopping vouchers, (the prison officers who didn't strike got an extra £500 each)
My wife and her colleagues were not allowed to keep the vouchers and instructed to hand them over to the NHS trust. They shredded them in protest rather than do that.

Had they been allowed to keep them they would have had to declare it as benefit in kind and be taxed accordingly.