[5erman]

My question is why are none of the OE graphs showing any increase in RPM's? I thought the tune took the rev limited up to 7200-7300 yet none of that is reflected in the dynos?

is this dependent on the person who requests the tune? I would like to see how the extra revs plays into it and if it is a source of more power or if nothing is to be had above 7k??

[5erman]

AA tuning the valvetronic is news to me? Can AA comment on how much valve lift they adjust?

Also does AA have the ability to raise the redline to 7200?

if all you are getting is timing and a/f its not going to be a heck of a lot more than a pbx

[Viral@ActiveAutowerke]

Originally Posted by 5erman

AA tuning the valvetronic is news to me? Can AA comment on how much valve lift they adjust?

Also does AA have the ability to raise the redline to 7200?

if all you are getting is timing and a/f its not going to be a heck of a lot more than a pbx

We do lightly adjust the Valvetronic in certain gears and also provide for smoother pulls throughout the entire RPM Band. Also we can raise the Rev Limiter to ~7,250 RPMs Manual Vehicles. Another feature we offer is removal of the top speed governor only with Manual Vehicles currently.

[dtc100]

Originally Posted by Active Autowerke III

We do lightly adjust the Valvetronic in certain gears and also provide for smoother pulls throughout the entire RPM Band. Also we can raise the Rev Limiter to ~7,250 RPMs Manual Vehicles. Another feature we offer is removal of the top speed governor only with Manual Vehicles currently.

Smooth pull throughout the RPM band, how important is it? Is it so important to sacrifice some additional power gain?

[Gavin@MMW]

Originally Posted by dtc100

It is not showing up on my browser.

Sorry about that, I fixed the link.

[Gavin@MMW]

Originally Posted by dtc100

Smooth pull throughout the RPM band, how important is it? Is it so important to sacrifice some additional power gain?

Smooth mid range power is crucial to overall performance. If you think about it, most of the time your driving your between 3000 and 5000 rpms, and that's where you want power. You dont spend your time redlining the car so the high Peak HP doesn't necessarily mean a fast car. You want it to be nimble and responsive where you use and need it most, which we also proudly offer

in addition we remove the top speed limiter for Manual and Auto cars, and raise the rev limiter on request for both. To be honest reving the car that much doesn't provide too much more go on an auto, I've had it both ways and doesn't seem to much different. As for a manual, I haven't experienced it first hand and I would think it has a lot to do with the person shifting to make it worth it.

[dtc100]

Originally Posted by Craven 328

Smooth mid range power is crucial to overall performance. If you think about it, most of the time your driving your between 3000 and 5000 rpms, and that's where you want power. You dont spend your time redlining the car so the high Peak HP doesn't necessarily mean a fast car. You want it to be nimble and responsive where you use and need it most, which we also proudly offer

in addition we remove the top speed limiter for Manual and Auto cars, and raise the rev limiter on request for both. To be honest reving the car that much doesn't provide too much more go on an auto, I've had it both ways and doesn't seem to much different. As for a manual, I haven't experienced it first hand and I would think it has a lot to do with the person shifting to make it worth it.

Thanks for the explanation. Compare the dynos between the two of you, it does appear to me the AA dyno is "smoother" but I am not an expert to tell from a dyno, is my impression correct?

[Gavin@MMW]

Originally Posted by dtc100

Thanks for the explanation. Compare the dynos between the two of you, it does appear to me the AA dyno is "smoother" but I am not an expert to tell from a dyno, is my impression correct?

Your looking at a manual car so the bumps are shifts

Here is my auto (before adding mods and retuning..blah blah)

[BudVlad]

Originally Posted by SDeFranco1

I don't know if the tune is safe for the engine longterm. Seems far too invasive regarding the Valvetronic etc. Good luck and hopefully your engine doesn't blow down the road. I'm not sold, especially with the prospect of pulling my own ECU and shipping it across the country. That's a dealbreaker.

I wouldn’t worry about the long term reliability of the engine. Standard output of 330i is 272 hp and it still has some reserve.
My gain from DS Motorsport is 49.35 hp (36.3 kW) and 26.92 FtLb. The rev limit was also raised and speed limiter removed. However, the power peaks at 6500 RPM so I don’t see much point in raising the revs.
The tune was expensive (€1,800) and the car was on dyno almost whole day.

[robbiec]

Originally Posted by Craven 328

Check the vendor section, e90post gets very nice deals from me

Awesome discussion!

Craven- Does your special e90post pricing apply only to local-to-SoCal and mail-in flashes, or can this special pricing be extended to my local OE reseller? If I could drive to my local OE retailer and get this done for the special pricing...

[Omar@ActiveAutowerke]

Originally Posted by dtc100

Smooth pull throughout the RPM band, how important is it? Is it so important to sacrifice some additional power gain?

It is extremely important as previously stated. After consulting with engineering and being involved in the R&D I can comfortably tell you that there is no power 'left on the table'. We spent countless hours tuning in house and with partners overseas to offer a tune that provides the most 'usable' power for the enthusiast. Please let me know if you have any other questions or concerns.

Best,

[Dark_Knight_335]

I can vouche for Omar and Viral on this. Matter of fact, when this OSS GB gets going I'm going to DYNO it at Helix Motorsports. I am more than satisfied with both Omar and Viral's tune and their experience.

[allmotorh22]

Originally Posted by BudVlad

I wouldn’t worry about the long term reliability of the engine. Standard output of 330i is 272 hp and it still has some reserve.
My gain from DS Motorsport is 49.35 hp (36.3 kW) and 26.92 FtLb. The rev limit was also raised and speed limiter removed. However, the power peaks at 6500 RPM so I don’t see much point in raising the revs.
The tune was expensive (€1,800) and the car was on dyno almost whole day.

Oh wow, looks like your tuner figured out the N52.

@Craven 328 Did OE tune many 325i's yet? I'd be down to get one of his regular flashes for now. How much would he charge for a custom set up?

[dtc100]

Originally Posted by allmotorh22

Oh wow, looks like your tuner figured out the N52.

@Craven 328 Did OE tune many 325i's yet? I'd be down to get one of his regular flashes for now. How much would he charge for a custom set up?

He had more than just the tune, he did the three stage first I think. He basically turned his 325 into a tuned 330.

[Gavin@MMW]

Originally Posted by allmotorh22

Oh wow, looks like your tuner figured out the N52.

@Craven 328 Did OE tune many 325i's yet? I'd be down to get one of his regular flashes for now. How much would he charge for a custom set up?

Yes we have done quite a few, and a 330 manifold swap also

Ill PM you some info on a custom setup

[Viral@ActiveAutowerke]

Originally Posted by SDeFranco1

I can vouche for Omar and Viral on this. Matter of fact, when this OSS GB gets going I'm going to DYNO it at Helix Motorsports. I am more than satisfied with both Omar and Viral's tune and their experience.

Awesome Thanks for the Support

[denniel]

Originally Posted by Active Autowerke III

We also have Dealers all across the US & Canada and Internationally can do this Performance Software On-Site.

Active Autowerke Authorized Dealers

canada？where？i am intereting aa

[Viral@ActiveAutowerke]

Originally Posted by denniel

canada？where？i am intereting aa

We have love for our fellow Canadians PM with Dealers have been sent.

[3002 tii]

Originally Posted by allmotorh22

Sweet, I'm local. I could use use your business. but Active brings up a good point. will there be issues w/ altitude (lets say driving up to Big Bear)?

(would it be custom tuning if I add a larger throttle body?)

Sorry but laugh a little everytime I hear tb upgrade.

[e90pilot]

Originally Posted by Craven 328

Your looking at a manual car so the bumps are shifts

I don't mean to bag on you but this one left me scratching my head. Dyno pulls in manual cars are usually done in 4th gear only, no shifting while it's recording.

[5erman]

bottom line is
1.If you want the most aggressive tune that optimizes power a little extra by changin valvetronics go with OE
2.If you want to play it safe and go with timing/a/f changes and piece of mind for long term go with AA

Doesnt sound like AA offers much valvetronics as they comment very very vaguely on the topic. If they truly tuned it they could give some details such as how much they increased lift and duration. Giving that information does not put any risk to people copying them as there are a million other factors that need to be added to any lift or duration you add.. so they only use A/F and timing IMO

[robbiec]

Originally Posted by 5erman

If they truly tuned it they could give some details such as how much they increased lift and duration.

Duration is fixed. It is ground into the camshaft. Valve/Camshaft timing can be adjust via VANOS.