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      04-25-2017, 06:21 PM   #1
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adjustable end links for xi

just got broadway statics dont wanna keep bending the oems any link to reliable end links
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      04-25-2017, 06:25 PM   #2
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just got broadway statics dont wanna keep bending the oems any link to reliable end links
Hp, turner, I think whiteline. You could just adjust the swaybar
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      04-25-2017, 07:51 PM   #3
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HP and turner are the same. At least looking at pictures, they look identical. But HPA will sell the correct length for xi. With Turner you have to guess or know the length yourself. I've been meaning to grab a set from HPA but haven't gotten around to it. I don't think whiteline sells an xi end link for the front
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      04-30-2017, 09:09 AM   #4
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HP and turner are the same. At least looking at pictures, they look identical. But HPA will sell the correct length for xi. With Turner you have to guess or know the length yourself. I've been meaning to grab a set from HPA but haven't gotten around to it. I don't think whiteline sells an xi end link for the front
Also check out uuc
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      04-30-2017, 03:12 PM   #5
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Speaking from my own personal experience, try to find links that have sealed rod ends. I have Ground Control front links with exposed heim joints and they require periodic re-lubing to make squeaks go away.

Ground Control doesn't specifically list an xi application but I told them the length of M3 but attachments like non-M and they made them.

For xi, the HPA front links have sealed rod ends.

On the rear the Hotchkis links for rwd will work, they have ball joints on one end and exposed heim joints on the other. I used Seals-It rod end boots on the heim joints, packed with marine grease, and they are noise free after almost a year.

The Seals-It boots don't work on the front links with the Ground Control links.

HPA front links:
http://hpashop.com/HP-Autosport-E82-...ks-e82-e9x.htm

Hotchkis rear links:
http://www.hotchkis.net/product/2007...&md=2883&sm=20

Seals-It boots:
https://www.summitracing.com/parts/SIT-RERS2

When I bought my Ground Control front links I didn't realize the HPA ones had sealed rod ends, if I did I would've chosen them instead.

For rwd Hotchkis makes links front links that have ball joints on both ends but they don't fit xi.
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Speaking from my own personal experience, try to find links that have sealed rod ends. I have Ground Control front links with exposed heim joints and they require periodic re-lubing to make squeaks go away.

Ground Control doesn't specifically list an xi application but I told them the length of M3 but attachments like non-M and they made them.

For xi, the HPA front links have sealed rod ends.

On the rear the Hotchkis links for rwd will work, they have ball joints on one end and exposed heim joints on the other. I used Seals-It rod end boots on the heim joints, packed with marine grease, and they are noise free after almost a year.

The Seals-It boots don't work on the front links with the Ground Control links.

HPA front links:
http://hpashop.com/HP-Autosport-E82-...ks-e82-e9x.htm

Hotchkis rear links:
http://www.hotchkis.net/product/2007...&md=2883&sm=20

Seals-It boots:
https://www.summitracing.com/parts/SIT-RERS2

When I bought my Ground Control front links I didn't realize the HPA ones had sealed rod ends, if I did I would've chosen them instead.

For rwd Hotchkis makes links front links that have ball joints on both ends but they don't fit xi.
Gonna have to sink this in later on when I get out of work thank you so much though appreciate the effort in to the post.
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      05-01-2017, 11:44 AM   #7
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Here, I'll make my post simpler.

For the front, get the HPA links.

For the rear, get the Hotchkis links and put the rod end boots on the heim joints. The heim joints are the exposed metal ends that look like loops.



The rod end boot goes over the heim joint:



Before you put the boot over the heim joint, slap some grease both on the heim joint and inside the boot itself. Hi-temp marine grease works well.
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      05-01-2017, 01:11 PM   #8
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UUC has Xi specific end links but they are exposed not the end of the world but not ideal.
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The problem with heim joints on the front links is how they have funky bolts that prevent you from putting a boot over the heim joint.

UUC:


Ground Control:


In my experience, with the exposed ends, water and crud gets in there, they rust, they squeak.

Hotchkis and Whiteline front links for rwd use ball joints on both ends, which is best for noise-free operation, but they're not available for xi.

HPA have some other kind of sealed rod end that's not a ball joint which is the quietest choice for xi.
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      05-02-2017, 10:15 AM   #10
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HPA makes adjustable sealed ones, that is what I was going to get until I found out my coil overs already include them.
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HPA makes adjustable sealed ones, that is what I was going to get until I found out my coil overs already include them.
Are they for the front or rear?
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      05-03-2017, 08:28 AM   #12
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Are they for the front or rear?
Front, not finding any sealed for the rear. I did find Whiteline is making a sealed for the front and is under $120.
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There are no fully sealed rear links available. Like I posted above, if you add the boots to the heim joints on the Hotchkis rear links, and properly grease the heims before putting on the boots, they are effectively sealed. They've been on my car now for almost a year like this and no noise whatsoever.
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I used these guys when i installed my coil overs. There offer custom length sway bar end links. They give you about of 1inch extension in play, so be sure to measure accurately when the suspension is loaded.

They work great for the street. If your going to the track, i would probably get some more robust end links, but for the money there pretty good.

https://store.garagistic.com/bmw-e30...y-bar-endlinks
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So after talking to my Atlanta peeps, I'm going to throw these into the mix.

https://www.harrisonmotorsports.com/...9x-not-m3.html

They also have rears as well. Going to talk to them about a sealed option there.
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which suspension mods require adjustable end links?
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which suspension mods require adjustable end links?
Lowering the car.
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So after talking to my Atlanta peeps, I'm going to throw these into the mix.

https://www.harrisonmotorsports.com/...9x-not-m3.html

They also have rears as well. Going to talk to them about a sealed option there.
I talked to AKG before I bought end links and they said theirs are definitely noisy. On that link they say "recommended for race use only," and that's because they're noisy.
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I did find Whiteline is making a sealed for the front and is under $120.
Whiteline and Hotchkis make front links with street-friendly ball joints but they are for rwd only.

If you compare rwd vs. xi vs. M3 end links, the rwd and xi have the same attachment points, but the xi and the M3 have the same length. Each is its own part. For xi you need the length of M3 but attachments of rwd non-M.
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I wonder if it would be possible to just make something up from McMaster-Carr. I was looking through their online catalog and came across internally threaded lubricant free ball joints (https://www.mcmaster.com/#end-links/=17izlev), threaded end shafts (https://www.mcmaster.com/#threaded-p...hafts/=17izpjk) as well as various chemical and corrosion resistant threaded rods (https://www.mcmaster.com/#standard-t...-rods/=17iznxl).
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Whiteline and Hotchkis make front links with street-friendly ball joints but they are for rwd only.

If you compare rwd vs. xi vs. M3 end links, the rwd and xi have the same attachment points, but the xi and the M3 have the same length. Each is its own part. For xi you need the length of M3 but attachments of rwd non-M.
Good to know, the Whiteline website is messed up. It says they fit Xi. I went in to the fitment guide and looked and they say RWD and Xi are the same, which of course they are not. So HPA looks like the best option for front sealed.
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how low do u have to be to need adjustable links? does it matter what sway bar you are using?
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