[dmurray14]

Originally Posted by smdandb2

You guys should check out that link again... there is something new in there.

http://www.bonnevillemotorwerks.com/sharkedt/

Hmm, I don't think that video could have shown LESS features.

[Sniz]

Originally Posted by smdandb2

You guys should check out that link again... there is something new in there.

http://www.bonnevillemotorwerks.com/sharkedt/

new demonstration video huh

[sirzepp]

No one is happy these days...

[smdandb2]

Originally Posted by sirzepp

No one is happy these days...

No shit Jimmy.

It edits the maps, thats what its meant to do. If you wanted to change a value, you click the box and change the value. Did you want it to suck you off maybe?

There are no magic buttons reading, 'Give N54 200HP'.

SE has always been touted as a software suite for people who KNOW what they are doing. If what you saw was confusing, please look into buying a completed tune and not dinking with things yourself.

[Sniz]

Originally Posted by smdandb2

No shit Jimmy.

It edits the maps, thats what its meant to do. If you wanted to change a value, you click the box and change the value. Did you want it to suck you off maybe?

There are no magic buttons reading, 'Give N54 200HP'.

SE has always been touted as a software suite for people who KNOW what they are doing. If what you saw was confusing, please look into buying a completed tune and not dinking with things yourself.

it would have made more sense if he actually edited something, anything on that video. Other than the name of a map.

[Antwerp]

I dunno about anyone else, but this is huge news as far as I'm concerned.
Looks like a very powerful and thorough program from what I can see.

You've just gained powerful access to your BMW's ECU.
That's something that's NEVER been offered before.
Of course this is coming from a non E9x owner.
Personally, I'd never consider a piggy-back anything, for any car.

Given those constraints you are held hostage by companies like Dinan & AA that offer an off the shelf tune to match their expensive hardware.
Shark Injector or Powerchips was pretty much your only option and it was limited option at that.
Personally I never cared for the generic Powerchips.

The BMW tuning world will be blown open with this product.

[Former_Boosted_IS]

Originally Posted by Antwerp

I dunno about anyone else, but this is huge news as far as I'm concerned.
Looks like a very powerful and thorough program from what I can see.

You've just gained powerful access to your BMW's ECU.
That's something that's NEVER been offered before.
Of course this is coming from a non E9x owner.
Personally, I'd never consider a piggy-back anything, for any car.

Given those constraints you are held hostage by companies like Dinan & AA that offer an off the shelf tune to match their expensive hardware.
Shark Injector or Powerchips was pretty much your only option and it was limited option at that.
Personally I never cared for the generic Powerchips.

The BMW tuning world will be blown open with this product.

BT has already uploaded HEX files off the ecu. BT will be able to upload flash tuning maps soon enough.

[thegeneral101]

Originally Posted by smdandb2

I don't know what it is with you guys and your 'window'.

You realize that there could be 10 owners after you with your cars? The N54 powered cars will be around for a long time. Jim STILL sells a ton of stuff for the older BMWs. Thats because as they get more affordable, people are far less scared to modify them or the right owner is finally able to afford one.

Then again, SE isnt just for N54 powered cars.

At the price point SE is going to hit, there will be nothing else like it.

I guess what I meant is that the sharkedit has been talked about for so long now and no results that it looses its buzz. I'm sure it would sell if it ever came out, but I still believe posting on a forum about something for two years and not really having anything to physically show kind of kills the buzz.

[ragingclue]

The buzz is gone. But this can still be a great product with great potential. I just think everyone at this point is in disbelief about it being right around the corner. It's been "on its way" for two years. I'll believe it's here when it's here. No sooner.

[Kbueno]

Originally Posted by ragingclue

The buzz is gone. But this can still be a great product with great potential. I just think everyone at this point is in disbelief about it being right around the corner. It's been "on its way" for two years. I'll believe it's here when it's here. No sooner.

+1

Put up or shut up.

[smdandb2]

2 years? Where did you guys get that number?

Freaks, lol!

It was announced at Bimmerfest last year, with a release date of like July. So we have not even hit the 1 year mark yet.

But youre right on the hype. Thats why there was no bumping of any of the epic SharkEdit threads or creating new ones. SharkEdit will speak for itself when it is released to the masses.

The wait has been a long one, thats for sure.

Reminds me of this episode of South Park.

[ragingclue]

Originally Posted by smdandb2

2 years? Where did you guys get that number?

Freaks, lol!

It was announced at Bimmerfest last year, with a release date of like July. So we have not even hit the 1 year mark yet.

But youre right on the hype. Thats why there was no bumping of any of the epic SharkEdit threads or creating new ones. SharkEdit will speak for itself when it is released to the masses.

The wait has been a long one, thats for sure.

Reminds me of this episode of South Park.

I was exaggerating for the purpose of getting a concept across. That concept being that it's been forever. I remember when it first came up on bf.c and all the drama since....

I just want to see it already. I don't hold anything against it for taking so long to come out. If it offers more than the other guys, hey, I'm there. If not, then good luck. Doesn't matter much to me. I'd just like to finally see it and have it be available for judgement on performance figures, not botched ETAs.

[lndshrk]

Umm.. it's here now guys.

Put in your order and you'll have your copy of the base system ASAP.

(right after I return from Bimmerfest!)

You can tune MSD80 with the base system. I mean, since "BT" has all
the answers you can just add the maps yourself and write your own
checksum DLL (Win32 please). The plugin specs are available - just ask.

Or you can buy the checksum from me - and the map locations - and more
for small change.

Pardon the short video - but I'm just getting started w/ this Camtasia software.

I'll post better videos this weekend.

Probably no narration though. (I don't like the recorded sound of my own voice )

I'm a programmer - I'm not Don LaFontaine.

(You really want to see me change a number on a screen? Is that really
exciting to anyone? - sure I'll be happy to do it though - just say so)

Oh, and for the record - if you're comparing this to any other solution,
you're fooling yourself. (although I'm sure the "copiers" will be fast at it
as soon as the first copies of Shark Edit are released)

Reading a BMW ECU is pretty much trivial. You'll remember I've been reading
AND writing BMW OBD-II ecus since 1996. We pioneered flashing OBD-II BMW's. (although it seems many owners today weren't members of the BMW
community when we did this back in 1996 - and demoed live to a stunned
crowd at BMW CCA Gateway Tech )

We read out MSD80 before my 335i was even delivered.

So "reading" is trivial.

Writing a BMW ECU isn't. Everything since MS45 is protected w/ RSA keys.

Two of them - one for authentication (login) and one for signature.

That makes writing them very hard.

Tuning one is a whole lot harder.

But Shark Edit isn't "just a flashtool" - it's a complete system for tuning.

(In fact, the flashtool is an optional plugin - and you COULD write your own!)

Essentially it's a mini-version of INCA - a professional tuning tool - for $299.

Note, I didn't say "tuning BMW's" and I didn't say "tuning Motronic"

Tuning.

Wanna tune your BMW? Sure you can.

For OBD-II applications I provide the map locations that only 16 YEARS of
tuning experience can give you.

And I don't just give you map locations - we tell you what the maps do,
how they interrelate, and how the affect the engine operation.

What would you do w/ KL_KFT_HI? - that btw is one of the 40 "maps" -
we call them tunable "characteristics" - that you need to adjust to tune
a 335i PROPERLY. It controls the electrically-controlled thermostat in your
car - under ONE specific set of operating conditions - and you need to
know/tune all of these maps to get a car running right.

So we don't just give you the map locations for your specific version of your
specific ECU - no - we also give you a document that EXPLAINS what all of
the map locations DO.

That's for BMW's - where you can use OUR flashing plugin - or you can
simply export the image and use someone elses flashtool.

(That's the point of the OPEN ARCHITECTURE design)

What about if you also have a Porsche, or a Ferrari, VW, Audi, Volvo, etc.

Yup you can tune them as well.

See, Shark Edit is an expandable system.

I don't need to do all the 'expanding' - you can do it.

Wanna write a plugin? If you can write a Win32 dll or a Win COM dll, you can.

Want to flash your Bugatti Veyron? Well, it's not my gig - but if you want to
write a Veyron flashtool, and integrate it w/ Shark Edit - have at it!

We'll be releasing BMW car applications and also BMW and Ducati M/C as
well as Ferrari.

From there - it's up to you.

Jim

[lndshrk]

Originally Posted by ragingclue

I was exaggerating for the purpose of getting a concept across. That concept being that it's been forever.

Yeah, it has been - since 1997 - when I released the DME Editor to a stunned crowd - again at BMW Gateway Tech.

Were you there?

Originally Posted by ragingclue

I just want to see it already. I don't hold anything against it for taking so long to come out. If it offers more than the other guys, hey, I'm there. If not, then good luck. Doesn't matter much to me. I'd just like to finally see it and have it be available for judgement on performance figures, not botched ETAs.

"More than the other guys"??

(See: this is an indication that possibly people really don't UNDERSTAND
what Shark Edit is about..)

This is a tool - YOU decide how much power you want - YOU tune your car.

I'm not tuning your car - you are.

(If you want my tune - just buy a Shark Injector or drive to one of the dealers
that is starting to offer drive-up flashes)

It only allows you to make the adjustments in real units - versus hex - and it
solves the checksums/etc for you.

I can even show you WHAT to adjust - but you have to make the judgement calls.

If you add just a little boost - you'll get a little performance.

If you add too much - while saying "mo' powa" to yourself in the mirror - you'll
pop motors and blow turbos.

It doesn't make you a tuner overnite - but it will allow you to tune your car
WITHOUT the need for an assembly-language programmer and a reverse
engineer to figure out the code inside your ECU.

Jim

[Bubbles]

Originally Posted by lndshrk

Yeah, it has been - since 1997 - when I released the DME Editor to a stunned crowd - again at BMW Gateway Tech.

Were you there?



"More than the other guys"??

(See: this is an indication that possibly people really don't UNDERSTAND
what Shark Edit is about..)

This is a tool - YOU decide how much power you want - YOU tune your car.

I'm not tuning your car - you are.

(If you want my tune - just buy a Shark Injector or drive to one of the dealers
that is starting to offer drive-up flashes)

It only allows you to make the adjustments in real units - versus hex - and it
solves the checksums/etc for you.

I can even show you WHAT to adjust - but you have to make the judgement calls.

If you add just a little boost - you'll get a little performance.

If you add too much - while saying "mo' powa" to yourself in the mirror - you'll
pop motors and blow turbos.

It doesn't make you a tuner overnite - but it will allow you to tune your car
WITHOUT the need for an assembly-language programmer and a reverse
engineer to figure out the code inside your ECU.

Jim

I see ghosts. Jim, nice to see you back (for now at least). So are you currently taking orders?

[lndshrk]

Originally Posted by mwahlert

a flash is not a tuning suite..

bt is going to be the conduit for flashing - not the means for editing files. shark edit was promised to be both.

Many of the flashes will be developed w/ Shark Edit.

Which IS it's primary purpose.

Flashing is secondary.

You can build a flash using Shark Edit and load it w/ BT if you want.

The whole point of Shark Edit is to allow MORE people to MAKE tunes.

Competition = reduced price = win for everyone.

[ianthegreat]

yum. i'm going to start researching this.

[Sniz]

well that is great great news, cant wait to see some of the outcomes of this.

[lndshrk]

Originally Posted by wellwell

Allowing the end user to flash tune and flash back to stock would be huge

Umm.. point of order... we've been doing that since 2000 w/ the Shark Injector.

[runningman]

Originally Posted by lndshrk

Many of the flashes will be developed w/ Shark Edit.

Which IS it's primary purpose.

Flashing is secondary.

You can build a flash using Shark Edit and load it w/ BT if you want.

The whole point of Shark Edit is to allow MORE people to MAKE tunes.

Competition = reduced price = win for everyone.

Aren't there already tools that do that, like WINOLS? So this is a $300 version of WINOLS? I'm pretty pumped for flashing but your presentation of the "product" is confusing as hell!

[ragingclue]

Originally Posted by lndshrk

Yeah, it has been - since 1997 - when I released the DME Editor to a stunned crowd - again at BMW Gateway Tech.

Were you there?



"More than the other guys"??

(See: this is an indication that possibly people really don't UNDERSTAND
what Shark Edit is about..)

This is a tool - YOU decide how much power you want - YOU tune your car.

I'm not tuning your car - you are.

(If you want my tune - just buy a Shark Injector or drive to one of the dealers
that is starting to offer drive-up flashes)

It only allows you to make the adjustments in real units - versus hex - and it
solves the checksums/etc for you.

I can even show you WHAT to adjust - but you have to make the judgement calls.

If you add just a little boost - you'll get a little performance.

If you add too much - while saying "mo' powa" to yourself in the mirror - you'll
pop motors and blow turbos.

It doesn't make you a tuner overnite - but it will allow you to tune your car
WITHOUT the need for an assembly-language programmer and a reverse
engineer to figure out the code inside your ECU.

Jim

Jim--

My posts weren't meant as an insult to you or the product. I was simply stating that it's been a while. Hard to argue against that. I had JC products in my E36, and I was very happy with them, and I have no doubt that you know what you're doing.

I know SharkEdit is something completely different than what is out there, but the fact remains that I will compare it to the other offerings, no matter how different they are in concept or practice. It doesn't matter how novel the concept is; fact is, it will be compared to other methods of tuning, and other products.

I know you're probably frustrated with all the people who have been giving this project very public and thorough grief, but I'm not one of them. You can't really say that disappointment in the fact that a product hasn't come out yet indicates negative feelings towards that particular item or its creator. If anything, I'm upset it isn't out yet because if it does turn out to be all that, I'm overeager for its release.

[astris]

Clearly modesty is not one of your best traits (along with the sound of your recorded voice, lol).

Sounds like a great product in theory. I'm sure it will be nice once people actually possess and are using the full version. I certainly won't be holding my breath for that date though.