[Em135eye]

JC absolutely pans the 135i rag top in the Sunday Times. I know his opinion is rather dodgy but he loved the 135i (hard top) an hates the drop top - BMW seem to add a HUGE amount of weight when chopping off the roof.

If I ever get a ragtop it will be designed as one from the start. Never liked chopped cars - always too heavy, too flexy, too rattly.

Mind you our Jimny (!) is a soft top but not exactly bought for it's handling prowess!

[AlanQS]

The Evolve switch would get you round the problem of distance.

[chrisbin]

Originally Posted by AlanQS

The Evolve switch would get you round the problem of distance.

True....at a cost though....anyone know whether the switch can be used again on another car...? I'd suspect not, but if you could it would help justify the extra...

[dxb335d]

Originally Posted by 335diesel

JC absolutely pans the 135i rag top in the Sunday Times. I know his opinion is rather dodgy but he loved the 135i (hard top) an hates the drop top - BMW seem to add a HUGE amount of weight when chopping off the roof.

If I ever get a ragtop it will be designed as one from the start. Never liked chopped cars - always too heavy, too flexy, too rattly.

Mind you our Jimny (!) is a soft top but not exactly bought for it's handling prowess!

I'm with you on convertibles.

[Sir_Pigley]

Originally Posted by Oil Burner

I wish!!! my 330d is averaging 34.4 at the moment, and recently all I have done is go up and down the M4 150 miles a day

My 330d did 46.3mpg on a recent run from Banbury to Newcastle-on-Tyne.

Indicated 85mph cruise, except through the (numerous) roadworks at 50mph.

[Em135eye]

Low 30s for the 335d. No motorways in Cornwall so it's mainly quite twisty (and fun) stuff now the tourists have gone - at last!!!

[steve-p]

Originally Posted by Ti Rich

Me too! Having driven a XFR and a XKR they are quite a machine!!!

i get 40mpg out of my 330d and nevr drive at 65 on the motorway!

Hmmm... I've just sold my manual 330d which averaged 42 MPG over 11,000 miles and bought a 5.0 XKR which does... quite a bit less

[SiKkBaSs]

Simply couldn't care less on performance figures regarding petrols and diesels at engine sizes 1.8 to 3.5. If I was bothered and it mattered to me about performance, it would have to be a petrol car anyway (i.e M3). Wouldn't want a diesel bluntly due to the clatter. Petrol revs can't be beat no matter what anyone says, especially when at 6-7000 revs...counter that denzil boys

[gIzzE]

Originally Posted by chrisbin

Hmmmm well, after a day spent with a 1'er convertible......I was quite impressed with it. It was fun, roof down was great, and I was surprised at how unobtrusive the diesel engine was......but......

I got back in the E92 and it just felt so much more grown up....and it looks so much nicer (imo).....so.....gave it a bit of love this weekend!


Soooooo...looks like a remap is in order......if only Evolve wasnt so far away...

I can't believe you tried the cab?? I thought you were married not gay!!

Seriously though, the cab is a lardy arse, you should have tried the coupe or hatch.

I am getting mine remapped next week, I will report back.


I know what you mean about the E92, it does look a lot more grown up, but that was the only reason I was thinking I should be buying one over the 1er, more image than what I actually enjoyed driving more, hence another 1 series for me.
Could have bought a 335i for the same money as the 123d as well.

[chrisbin]

Originally Posted by gIzzE

I can't believe you tried the cab?? I thought you were married not gay!!

Seriously though, the cab is a lardy arse, you should have tried the coupe or hatch.

I am getting mine remapped next week, I will report back.


I know what you mean about the E92, it does look a lot more grown up, but that was the only reason I was thinking I should be buying one over the 1er, more image than what I actually enjoyed driving more, hence another 1 series for me.
Could have bought a 335i for the same money as the 123d as well.

yeah...I know.....thing is I miss the open top experience.....

[gIzzE]

Originally Posted by chrisbin

yeah...I know.....thing is I miss the open top experience.....

Go down to London and do the tour bus then!!
That way you only look like a nob for an hour or so!!


Just kidding cab fans!!



Seriously though, you live in Wales, what good is a cab??
Didn't Rhod Gilbert say to another Welsh audience member "You live in Wales too, do you remember the summer it rained for 40 days and 40 nights??? We don't weather as good as that any more do we?? and how old were you when you realised your cagoule actually came off??!!"

[chrisbin]

Originally Posted by gIzzE

Go down to London and do the tour bus then!!
That way you only look like a nob for an hour or so!!


Just kidding cab fans!!



Seriously though, you live in Wales, what good is a cab??
Didn't Rhod Gilbert say to another Welsh audience member "You live in Wales too, do you remember the summer it rained for 40 days and 40 nights??? We don't weather as good as that any more do we?? and how old were you when you realised your cagoule actually came off??!!"

...tis true.....but it just means you need to make the most of it when you can........

Think it will need to be an E93 next time....or maybe an A5 vert.....

[gIzzE]

Don't buy an Audi, not an A5 anyway, the new S4 or nothing at all, the rest are boring, boring, boring!!!

[gIzzE]

Or an RS4 I should add!!

[chrisbin]

Yeah well it'll be another 6 months at least anyway.....

[scotgc]

Originally Posted by SiKkBaSs

Simply couldn't care less on performance figures regarding petrols and diesels at engine sizes 1.8 to 3.5. If I was bothered and it mattered to me about performance, it would have to be a petrol car anyway (i.e M3). Wouldn't want a diesel bluntly due to the clatter. Petrol revs can't be beat no matter what anyone says, especially when at 6-7000 revs...counter that denzil boys

How much torque does your petrol produce ?

[gIzzE]

Originally Posted by scotgc

How much torque does your petrol produce ?

Problem is, torque is just one part of the equation that gives you the real figure, which is of course BHP.

Torque x rpm = bhp and at the end of the day bhp is all that really matters.

I always mention torque when I talk about my diesel, but when it comes to out and out power and speed bhp is always the winner.

[Em135eye]

Torque IS important.
Let's take my old Astra - 150bhp and around 1400kgs AND FWD. Pretty unimpressive. Yet it's 235lbs/ft helped get it a 0-60 of 8.6s - not that quick but still quite decent.
Now let's compare it to the car before - a 250bhp (mild chipping) 236lbs/ft 1477kg 4WD Golf - 60 in 6.3s BUT once rolling there was little between the Golf and the Astra (in gear times prove this).

And then lets look at the 335d - if you do a basic bhp/weight/RWD calculation, the 0-60 is slightly off but the 0-100 is WAY off. There must be a calculation that takes torque into account but I've yet to see it.

Sikk - your 325i kick out 270Nm, the 335d is 580Nm - the difference in performance is HUGE.

[gIzzE]

Take two cars of the same weight, same gearing and same BHP and the times are the same.
If one has 500nm and revs to 4000rpm = 250bhp and the other has 250nm and revs to 8000rpm = 250bhp you will get the same result.

Torque may get you off the line quicker, but that is usually it.


I never get in gear times, people always bang on about how quick their 330d is going from 30-80mph in 4th, and yeah the figures are impressive, however, in a petrol you would drop down to 3rd and it is then quicker still.


There is no point comparing the 325i with the 335d, you need to compare it with the 325d.
325i £29625 0-60mph 6.7
325d £30830 0-60mph 7.4


Then you can compare the 335d with the 330i or the 335i, my 335i would constantly do the run to 60mph in 5 seconds flat, that was in stock form, in comparison using the same AP22 meter my 535d would take 6.4 seconds, even remapped it was 5.7 seconds, there was a huge difference in speed, and when remapped that gap jumped even more, and the extra BHP made more difference when the speeds got up.

Gearing makes more difference to 0-60mph times than anything else, and then BHP makes more difference as you get to higher speeds where gearing is less of an issue.

[Em135eye]

dxb, defender of 335ds and slayer of most petrols, where are you?!

Don't forget that the stock 335d beat the stock 335i around Bruntingthorpe. I can't see a much clearer demonstration of the importance of torque. And the 335i was manual too. The comments were that the torque simply hauled them out of each bend.

A 535d is heavier and unless fairly new, less powerful than a 335d...

[pjs]

The D's give effortless performance, esp auto, the i's you have to rag unless 335i courtesy of the turbo's

[gIzzE]

Originally Posted by 335diesel

dxb, defender of 335ds and slayer of most petrols, where are you?!

Don't forget that the stock 335d beat the stock 335i around Bruntingthorpe. I can't see a much clearer demonstration of the importance of torque. And the 335i was manual too. The comments were that the torque simply hauled them out of each bend.

A 535d is heavier and unless fairly new, less powerful than a 335d...

I like diesels, I have just bought a 123d M-Sport as a little fun car that I can chuck about, but I also understand that a petrol has far more soul and stirs many in a way a diesel never will.


I was comping my DMS mapped 535d at 344bhp with the stock 335i. Not sure about Bruningthorpe, but in the tests with my 335i touring and my mates 335d touring the petrol was always quicker, not a great deal, but it was quicker. Having said that I reckon the 123d remapped would beat the stock 335i round the back roads, and that is 260bhp vs 306bhp.