Procede v2 vs JB2R... Customer vs Customer *video*

DLSJ5 · 11-28-2007, 11:57 AM

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Originally Posted by Sniz

We could make it a live pay-per-view webcast.

Terry335 · 11-28-2007, 11:57 AM

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Originally Posted by Walked U

Ya it was alot faster. It got progressively faster as the more runs we did.

That wasnt the case with mine and jon's runs last nigh. It was the same result back to back.

Did you guys try any runs with the switch off?

DLSJ5 · 11-28-2007, 11:57 AM

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Originally Posted by Terry335

I think a lot of the east coast guys will be at the track Friday, so we should get a good look at all the tunes at the same track, same day!

Awesome news! Terry when do you plan on heading to Sacramento? I def wanna go maybe the 15th, or 22nd.

sflgator · 11-28-2007, 11:58 AM

I'll repost my question to Jon (since now we're up to page 4

)...

Great runs and videos guys!!

Jon -- you praise and recommend the JB2R, but you had the PROcede v1.47 and were waiting for v2. From these videos, it appears that Walked U "walked you" in a similar fashion as he did when you were running v1.47. Does this mean you're sticking w/ the JB2 (obviously you wouldn't run the (R) race gas switch w/ race gas all the time on a daily basis, so you'd have to revert back to the lower power JB2 on pump gas) or are you still waiting for PROcede v2 (to reinstall PROcede when you get v2)????

leftcoastman · 11-28-2007, 11:59 AM

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Originally Posted by Terry335

I think he might have misread the first runs also, here was the post:

http://www.e90post.com/forums/showpo...06&postcount=8

So 333, 323, and 317 are with stock downpipes. I think the 333 run was a boost spike or something, he never replicated it. So say the average before downpipes was ~320, and the average after ~324. That is just peak, someone would need to check for total power under the curve.

If you look at his pattern based on consecutive runs, the power decreases with each run.

Mr. 5 can pipe up, but perhaps his stock cats runs were more closely spaced. Note that his stock cats also produced more torque.

Terry335 · 11-28-2007, 12:02 PM

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Originally Posted by leftcoastman

If you look at his pattern based on consecutive runs, the power decreases with each run.

Mr. 5 can pipe up, but perhaps his stock cats runs were more closely spaced. Note that his stock cats also produced more torque.

Do you really believe that better flowing downpipes actually hurt power?

Terry335 · 11-28-2007, 12:03 PM

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Originally Posted by DLSJ5

Awesome news! Terry when do you plan on heading to Sacramento? I def wanna go maybe the 15th, or 22nd.

Yeah I'm hoping to get up there soon. I just installed some new downpipes I need to test out.

leftcoastman · 11-28-2007, 12:06 PM

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Originally Posted by Terry335

Do you really believe that better flowing downpipes actually hurt power?

What I don't do is base my decisions on widely accepted mantra without supporting evidence.

I base it on the observed facts. The facts contradict your assertion that the DPs helped Walked U.

Sniz · 11-28-2007, 12:07 PM

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Originally Posted by leftcoastman

What I don't do is base my decisions on widely accepted mantra without supporting evidence.

I base it on the observed facts. The facts contradict your assertion that the DPs helped Walked U.

true.....but you can also look at the Riss dyno's.

I think the downpipe power gains are as widely misunderstood as which tuner is faster.

leftcoastman · 11-28-2007, 12:09 PM

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Originally Posted by Sniz

true.....but you can also look at the Riss dyno's.

I think the downpipe power gains are as widely misunderstood as which tuner is faster.

If I recall correctly, Riss's dynos are on (1) Riss's catless downpipes and (2) stock tuning

Walked U is running another brand, catted and is tuned.

Terry335 · 11-28-2007, 12:11 PM

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Originally Posted by leftcoastman

What I don't do is base my decisions on widely accepted mantra without supporting evidence.

I base it on the observed facts. The facts contradict your assertion that the DPs helped Walked U.

If one looks at the data Mr. 5 presented, including boost curves, any reasonable person will conclude the downpipes were worth 4-8rwhp all else being equal.

It just so happens I installed a set on my car last night (worst.install.ever), and I'll be hitting the track Friday (weather permitting) to see what I get.

Walked U · 11-28-2007, 12:12 PM

Everything was exaclty the same.

Gas, weight, passenger, tranny... EVERYTHING

I changed nothing from when myself and terry raced. I raced on the base base setting 2.0.2 map that I did with terry.

Terry335 · 11-28-2007, 12:14 PM

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Originally Posted by Walked U

Everything was exaclty the same.

Gas, weight, passenger, tranny... EVERYTHING

I changed nothing from when myself and terry raced. I raced on the base base setting 2.0.2 map that I did with terry.

We need to check the boost on Jon's car. I gave him a switch from the "blemish" stash in the back of my car. I have a feeling he wasn't getting as much boost as he should have been getting.

HyperM3 · 11-28-2007, 12:15 PM

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Originally Posted by Terry335

I gave him a switch from the "blemish" stash in the back of my car. I have a feeling he wasn't getting as much boost as he should have been getting.

Party foul!

Driver72 · 11-28-2007, 12:16 PM

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Originally Posted by Walked U

Ya the weight was pretty even.

I put the heavier person in my car and gave jon marissa. Thats why the filming was done from his car.

My passenger is like 140 lbs. vs marissa is like 100 lbs if that. Lol

Also john was on 98 octane with 1.47 and JB2R, nothing was changed. We replicated the whole thing. Only thing that was changed was the tune for jon.

Cool.

I was going to suggest you putting your GF in his car too.
That should of evened it out a bit, that's for sure.

Nice work again Sherwin.

Terry335 · 11-28-2007, 12:16 PM

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Originally Posted by HyperM3

Party foul!

Heh I provided the hardware for free just so they could do independent testing. I'm still waiting for Vishnu to ship one of my customers free hardware to do the same.

HyperM3 · 11-28-2007, 12:19 PM

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Originally Posted by Terry335

Heh I provided the hardware for free just so they could do independent testing. I'm still waiting for Vishnu to ship one of my customers free hardware to do the same.

Game on! (yeah, good luck with that)

jworms · 11-28-2007, 12:19 PM

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Originally Posted by DLSJ5

Awesome news! Terry when do you plan on heading to Sacramento? I def wanna go maybe the 15th, or 22nd.

if you go on the 15th i might try to tag along... must get DRs

5soko · 11-28-2007, 12:20 PM

AWESOME stuff. customer vs customer is the only way to go... was Terrys car on NOS or something!!!
seems like the dyno's are proving themselves on the street. PROcede FWIW!!!!

fedinand · 11-28-2007, 12:23 PM

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Originally Posted by Terry335

So why does it pull 2 cars on other procede 2.02 cars?

He hasn't raced any other cars with V2.02 yet (unless he has raced Leftcoastman or Eugen) - he did pull a couple carlengths on V2.01 cars though.

DLSJ5 · 11-28-2007, 12:23 PM

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Originally Posted by jworms

if you go on the 15th i might try to tag along... must get DRs

Sounds good Bro.

OpenFlash · 11-28-2007, 12:23 PM

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Originally Posted by fedinand

He hasn't raced any other cars with V2.02 yet (unless he has raced Leftcoastman or Eugen) - he did pull a couple carlengths on V2.01 cars though.

+1

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5soko Brigadier General 333 Rep 4,632 Posts Drives: M5 Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: Brooklyn, NY iTrader: (4)	AWESOME stuff. customer vs customer is the only way to go... was Terrys car on NOS or something!!! seems like the dyno's are proving themselves on the street. PROcede FWIW!!!!
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